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Women-in-Hockey Digest Thursday, December 18 1997 Volume 01 : Number 083
In this issue:
Re: an opinion on womens hockey, continued
Incidental contact
tv coverage
Re: an opinion on womens hockey
Re: tv coverage
Re: an opinion on womens hockey, continued
Re: an opinion on womens hockey
Re: an opinion on womens hockey
Lifetime TV
Re: Officials Review vet's release from Olympic Team
one last comment on the womens game last night
I know this is womens. but I wanted to post this about the NHL
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 08:56:53 +0000
From: email@hidden (DAVE BAKER)
Subject: Re: an opinion on womens hockey, continued
Jackie wrote:
> especially the passing game. Very, very highly skilled. The only thing I
> don't really understand is why they just don't call it "checking" I teach my
> kids the same kind of contact and it is definately "checking" and for the most
> part, what I saw last night was alot of clean checking which is fine, it's
> part of the game. I just don't understand the hesitancy to call it what it
> is.
What are the calling it then? Body contact and body checking are two
different things. A body check is used to seperate the player from
the puck. Body contact is the result of two players moving in the
same direction to gain possession of the puck.
David Baker
Manager, Officiating
CANADIAN HOCKEY
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www.canadianhockey.ca
www.hhof.com/chocoe.html
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:07:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Abby Clabough
Subject: Incidental contact
The commentators called it "incidental contact". They were questioning it
themselves. They called it that because no penalties were being called.
Abby Clabough
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On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, DAVE BAKER wrote:
>
> What are the calling it then? Body contact and body checking are two
> different things. A body check is used to seperate the player from
> the puck. Body contact is the result of two players moving in the
> same direction to gain possession of the puck.
>
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:41:50 -0800
From: Jennifer Berger
Subject: tv coverage
Bravo to Lifetime TV - the game last night, although it
didn't go the Americans' way, was some of the best television
I've seen all year. The Nike commercial with the poem about
Cammi was so moving. I'd like to get one of those t-shirts to
help send the parents to Japan as well.
I'm SO proud to be a hockey-playing woman!!
Jennifer #68
San Diego
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:58:29 -0800
From: Anne Paulson
Subject: Re: an opinion on womens hockey
> In a message dated 97-12-18 03:36:58 EST, email@hidden writes:
>
> << And as for figure skating, no thanks, I bet that most women hockey
> players > would gladly wear the T-shirt that I am wearing at this moment.
> It says "I'd rather have played hockey and lost than have figure skated
> in the olympics and have won the gold medal." >>
>
> "The only reason figure skating is considered a sport is because it takes
> place on an ICE HOCKEY rink!!."
>
> And a teammate of mine (former figure skater) said "It is a million times
> more fun to be a mediocre hockey player than a mediocre figure skater."
Do we need to bring down other female athletes to build ourselves
up? Figure skaters are serious athletes who work hard at their
sport. All of us should stick together.
When I go to public skates in the middle of the day, I often see other
women practicing figure skating. They don't have the tiny
prepubescent bodies of the top figure skaters, and like me, they've come
to their sport in adulthood and are just learning. But they are trying
to improve, and they're having fun. I love to see active women.
I find it inspiring. Rather than sniping at figure skaters, we should
rejoice in seeing women and girls in sports.
- -- Anne Paulson (will never be a figure skater, would be thrilled
to reach mediocrity in hockey)
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 10:37:13 -0800
From: Tammie Weigl
Subject: Re: tv coverage
The crowning moment of the evening was being able to show my hockey
obsessed 4 year old daughter that women can play ice hockey too. We
both enjoyed the game along with my husband, who is a long time NHL
fan. Even he was impressed by the skill and power of both teams.
And under the tree this year, there will be my daughter's first skates
and hockey equipment...
Tammie Weigl,
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:28:14 -0400
From: Deborah Minden
Subject: Re: an opinion on womens hockey, continued
>Jackie wrote:
>
>> especially the passing game. Very, very highly skilled. The only thing I
>> don't really understand is why they just don't call it "checking" I teach my
>> kids the same kind of contact and it is definately "checking" and for
>>the most
>> part, what I saw last night was alot of clean checking which is fine, it's
>> part of the game. I just don't understand the hesitancy to call it what it
>> is.
>
>What are the calling it then? Body contact and body checking are two
>different things. A body check is used to seperate the player from
>the puck. Body contact is the result of two players moving in the
>same direction to gain possession of the puck.
When two women bump into each other, it is called 'incidental contact' If
one woman checks another, and gets caught, its called a penalty.
Debbie
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:42:52 -0400
From: Deborah Minden
Subject: Re: an opinion on womens hockey
Let me say this about that.
I have 11 year old twin girls who have been skating since they could walk.
One is a figure skater (look for her on the US State Farm Nationals picking
up flowers during the men's short program), and the other is a hockey
player, PeeWee, and loves to hit like a hammer. They love their own sport
and enjoy watching each other's. No put-downs, only pride.
My 16 year old daughter is a lapsed figure skater. After her first 2
hockey practices, she came to the realization that there is something about
the smell, feel, and sound of the ice that gets into your blood and never
lets you go.
Both sports require the same fundamentals-strength, agility, guts. Let's
remember we are all part of the same movement. An athlete is an athlete
is an athlete.
Debbie
>>
>> << And as for figure skating, no thanks, I bet that most women hockey
>> players > would gladly wear the T-shirt that I am wearing at this moment.
>> It says "I'd rather have played hockey and lost than have figure skated
>> in the olympics and have won the gold medal." >>
>>
>> "The only reason figure skating is considered a sport is because it takes
>> place on an ICE HOCKEY rink!!."
>>
>> And a teammate of mine (former figure skater) said "It is a million times
>> more fun to be a mediocre hockey player than a mediocre figure skater."
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 15:19:35 EST
From: DAT BYTES
Subject: Re: an opinion on womens hockey
In a message dated 97-12-18 14:11:04 EST, email@hidden writes:
<<
Do we need to bring down other female athletes to build ourselves
up? Figure skaters are serious athletes who work hard at their
sport. All of us should stick together.
When I go to public skates in the middle of the day, I often see other
women practicing figure skating. They don't have the tiny
prepubescent bodies of the top figure skaters, and like me, they've come
to their sport in adulthood and are just learning. But they are trying
to improve, and they're having fun. I love to see active women.
I find it inspiring. Rather than sniping at figure skaters, we should
rejoice in seeing women and girls in sports.
-- Anne Paulson (will never be a figure skater, would be thrilled to reach
mediocrity in hockey)
>>
Anne-
1) lighten up. It was meant to be funny. =D
2) Just as women play ice hockey, MEN figure skate too. I was not bringing
down female athletes. I was ragging on figure skating.
3) the 2nd quote was said by soemone who used to be a figure skater.
4) - I do not consider any activity where the outcome is purely subjective
(i.e. judge's opinion's) to be a sport. (even thought it may require
atheletic ability.) The team that scores the most, the person who crosses the
line first, the one with the fastest time - all objective outcomes and REAL
sports.
5) As for public skating - I live in NYC, where the public skating sessions
often get very crowded. The figure skaters just get in everybody's way. With
their stupid arms sticking out, and doing jumps and turns without warning -
makes it very easy to run over them. But sicne they are such an easy target,
it is not much fun to run them over. So I usually try to avoid them. Don't
get me wrong. I am not knocking these women for going out their and giving it
every thing they've got. I just don't like sharing the ice with them. Or
male figure skaters for that matter.
Jill
#77 Brooklyn Blades
~~~"Only you can prevent hockey stick fires."~~~
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:56:49 -0500
From: "Joanna L. Dumas"
Subject: Lifetime TV
Does anyone know the email address for Lifetime TV? I'd like to send
them an email about last night's game.
Thanks.
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:47:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Greg GMSMITH Marlene Smith
Subject: Re: Officials Review vet's release from Olympic Team
><< Saw an article in the Vancouver Sun today that says that Canadian
Hockey
>has started a formal investigation/review of the circumstances
surrounding
>Angela James being cut from the national team. >>
>
>I certainly hope not. For one thing, how many other players were cut
from the
>team, and are formal investigations second-guessing the coaches being
How many players of James stature were cut from the team? None. Has
anyone on this list who has watched Angela James play honestly say they
weren't shocked when they heard she was cut. I doubt it.
Doesn't it seem odd to you that a player, who has averaged nearly a point
a game through the exhibition series, despite seeing limited ice time and
no power play time, gets cut and a player like Jennifer Botteril (who just
so happens to train with Miller at the Olympic Oval) makes the team?
Angela James has done so much for women's hockey, and I think this is the
very least Canadian Hockey can do for her, to make sure that the
evaluation process was fair and unbiased.
>instituted on THEIR cuts? For another, it isn't as if there's been the
type
>of off-the-record talk from the other players to the effect that "Angela
got
>screwed." Nor, with France St.-Louis still on the team, can James claim
Honestly, if you were a player that made the team, would you speak out
against the coach? Not unless you had a unsatiable burning desire to ride
the pine in Nagano. Anyone here know the real story behind Mel Davidson
and Margot Page?
And, according to the articles on Slam! Sports, there actually has been
some "off-the-record" talk that and I quote: "the players felt unfair
decisions were being made because of biases towards certain players".
After last nights game, I would suggest that they should also look into
the process of how their goaltenders were selected. Rheaume didn't look
sharp at all, and it remains to be seen whether Reddon will be any better
and judging from her World Championship '97 performance, I am not
optimistic.
Greg.
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 18:40:54 EST
From: Jen29H
Subject: one last comment on the womens game last night
One last comment on the game last night(maybe). The game was awesome as I
already said, and I got to see the people I've looked up to the past few
years. I can't wait for the olympics and the coverage they will have. Sure
it'll be late at night, I'll just have to stay up and watch it I guess, unless
my parents don't let me, but then theres always the great invention of the
VCR. I taped last nights game, and will probably watch it again this weekend
or during christmas break. I am on a high from last nights game, I was so
excited to finally see them and for some reson I'm still physced. but its
depressing too, I don't start playing untill spring and then thats only 6
weeks. But life goes on, and I am so into this whole playing hockey thing, I
think I will go down to the basement and take my stick out of the closet and
shoot some pucks, nevermind, theres no room theres too much stuff on the
floor, and it takes more than one person to move it. I guess I'll have to
convince my brother to go play tommorow or sometime soon. Gotta go, talk to
all you hockey players/fans/whatever, later.
Jennie Hawks
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 16:21:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Jessica Yeo
Subject: I know this is womens. but I wanted to post this about the NHL
Tomorrow, is my 15th birthday, and I found out
something I never knew. Its also the NHL's 80
anniversary, and I found this article on the ESPN
website.
NHL CELEBRATES 80TH ANNIVERSARY OF COMPETITION
Joe Malone scored five goals in Montreal's 7-4 win
over Ottawa. NEW YORK (Dec. 18, 1997) On Friday,
December 19, the National Hockey League celebrates
its 80th anniversary of competition. It was on that
date in 1917, when the Montreal Canadiens defeated
the Ottawa Senators 7-4 and the Montreal Wanderers
downed the Toronto Arenas 10-9 in the first regular
season games ever played in NHL history.
A total of 36 players, including 16 eventual members
of the Hockey Hall of Fame, skated for these original
four teams on that inaugural day of play. The
Canadiens' "Phantom" Joe Malone and the Wanderers'
Harry Hyland were the big stars, powering their teams
to victories with five goals apiece as the NHL
ushered in a new era of professional hockey.
In its first season of competition, the four-team
National Hockey League, which replaced the National
Hockey Association (NHA) as the major professional
hockey circuit in the East, adopted the same playing
rules as its forerunner. However, those rules
drastically differ from those employed today by the
League. Among the many differences were the following:
ðNo blue-lines (only a center red-line).
ðNo forward passing beyond the center red-line.
ðNo icing rule.
ðUnlimited overtime.
ðOne referee and, when necessary, a referee's
assistant.
ðA maximum of 12 players in uniform for each team per
game.
ðThree-minute minor penalties.
The following are highlights of the first two regular
season NHL games, played December 19, 1917:
Opening the 1917-18 NHL season at the Montreal Arena,
the Wanderers and Arenas treated over 700 fans to a
combined 19 goals, currently the fifth highest
single-game total in League history. Montreal's Dave
Ritchie opened the scoring at the one-minute mark of
the first period, and teammate Jack McDonald followed
just 30 seconds later. Before the period was over, a
total of eight goals had been scored, including six
in the first seven minutes of play and three by
Hyland, as the Wanderers roamed to a 5-3 lead.
Meanwhile, before a crowd of over 5,000 spectators at
the Ottawa Arena, the Canadiens and Senators were
vying for the other opening night victory. However,
Ottawa found itself distinctly at a disadvantage even
before the first puck had been dropped. Two of its
bigger stars, Hamby Shore and Jack Darragh, refused
to play until management yielded to their contract
demands. Ottawa boss Tommy Gorman would not give in,
at least not before the first period was through.
The Canadiens were well received in Ottawa. Cheering
fans tossed nickels, dimes, and quarters in their
direction when the visitors took to the ice. The fan
favorite was Malone, who registered a natural hat
trick in the first period to secure a 3-0 Montreal
lead. But while Malone, who went on to become the
NHL's 1917-18 scoring champion with 44 goals in 20
games, was scoring, Gorman was negotiating. During
the 10-minute intermission between periods, he
finally reached an understanding with both Shore and
Darragh, and the two skaters made their initial NHL
appearances in the second period.
With the addition of the two players, Ottawa gave
Montreal a more competitive effort, swapping goals
throughout the final two periods. The Senators' Eddie
Gerard and Cy Denneny each pulled their team to
within two goals during the second period, but the
Canadiens ultimately pulled away in the third. Malone
scored again in each of the last two stanzas and
received added support from teammates Newsy Lalonde
and Didier Pitre. The game ended 7-4.
MONTREAL CANADIENS (7)ATOTTAWA SENATORS (4)
Louis Berlinquette (F) Ê*Clint Benedict (G)
Bert Corbeau (D)Ê *George Boucher (F)
Billy Couture (D)Ê Morley Bruce (D)
*Joe Hall (F) Ê*Rusty Crawford (F)
*Newsy Lalonde (F)Ê *Jack Darragh (F)
*Jack Laviolette (D) Ê*Cy Denneny (F)
*Joe Malone (F)Ê *Eddie Gerard (F)
*Didier Pitre (F) ÊEddie Lowrey (F)
*Georges Vezina (G) ÊHamby Shore(D)
Referee:*Harvey Pulford
Assistant Referee:Charles McKinley
(* Elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame in the Players
category)
Scoring Summary
1st Period
1. Malone, Canadiens 5:302. Malone, Canadiens12:303.
Malone, Canadiens17:00
2nd Period
4. Gerard, Ottawa2:155. Lalonde, Canadiens7:456.
Denneny, Ottawa12:157. Malone, Canadiens16:00
3rd Period
8. Pitre, Canadiens3:009. Boucher, Ottawa4:1510.
Malone, Canadiens13:1511. Gerard, Ottawa18:30
Toronto switched goaltenders to start the second
period, sending backup netminder Arthur Brooks onto
the ice in place of starter Sammy Hebert. While
Brooks limited Montreal to a single goal in his first
16 minutes, his Toronto teammates erased the two-goal
defecit and tied the score at 6-6. However, in the
final four minutes of the second period, the
Wanderers rallied for three unanswered goals to take
the lead for good.
In the third period, Ritchie scored his second of the
night to boost the Montreal lead to 10-6 with just
over 15 minutes to play. Then, Montreal player-coach
Art Ross altered his game strategy by employing three
defensemen for the remainder of the game. Although
Toronto scored three more goals, including Reg
Noble's third and fourth tallies of the contest,
Ross' unconventional tactics helped the Wanderers to
a 10-9 triumph.
TORONTO ARENAS (9) ATMONTREAL WANDERERS(10)
Arthur Brooks (G) ÊBilly Bell (F)
*Harry Cameron (D) ÊJohn Geran (F)
Jack Coughlin (F)Ê *Harry Hyland (F)
Corb Denneny (F) ÊBert Lindsay (G)
Sammy Hebert (G)Ê Jack McDonald (F)
Harry Meeking (F)Ê George O'Grady (F)
*Reg Noble (F) ÊDave Ritchie (D)
Ken Randall (D)Ê *Art Ross (D)
Alf Skinner (F)Ê Phil Stephens(D)
Referee:Tom Melville
Assistant Referee:*Jack Marshall
(* Elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame in the Players
category)
SCORING SUMMARY
1st Period
1. Ritchie, Wanderers1:002. McDonald, Wanderers1:303.
Noble, Toronto2:454. Cameron, Toronto5:005. Hyland,
Wanderers5:456. Cameron, Toronto7:007. Hyland,
Wanderers10:008. Hyland, Wanderers16:15
2nd Period
9. Skinner, Toronto3:0010. Hyland, Wanderers6:1511.
Denneny, Toronto9:0012. Noble, Toronto14:4513. Bell,
Wanderers16:0014. Ross, Wanderers17:3015. Hyland,
Wanderers19:30
3rd Period
16. Ritchie, Wanderers4:3017. Noble, Toronto7:1518.
Denneny, Toronto13:3019. Noble, Toronto16:45
The first exhibition game in NHL history took place
four days prior to that opening night of play, on
December 15, 1917. The game a benefit for victims of
the "Halifax Fire" which, on December 5, had
reportedly left 2,500 people homeless and 2,000 more
dead after a World War I munitions ship exploded in
the Halifax harbor had the Canadiens' forwards paired
with the Wanderers' defensemen and goalie, and the
Wanderers' forwards teamed with the Canadiens'
defensemen and goalie. Both substitute players were
from the Canadiens. The following lineups were
employed:
TEAM ONE ÊTEAM TWO
Georges Vezina (C) GOAL Bert Lindsay(W)
Joe Hall (C) DEFENSE Jack Laviolette(W)
Bert Corbeau (C) DEFENSE Dave Ritchie(W)
Billy Bell (W) FORWARD Newsy Lalonde(C)
Jack McDonald(W) FORWARD Didier Pitre (C)
Harry Hyland(W) FORWARD Joe Malone (C)
Billy Couture(C) SUB Louis Berlinquette (C)
Team Two skated to a 10-3 win. Lalonde (4), Pitre
(3), Malone (2) and Berlinquette (1) scored for the
winners, while Hyland (3) provided all the offense
for the losers.
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