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WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY Digest 211
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Ringette
by email@hidden (frank & tammy schulz)
2) RE: hockey in Richmond
by email@hidden (William Cumming (Deerfield Academy))
3) Re: Senior Womens Hockey in Kingston, Ontario?
by "Catharine J. Reburn"
4) Re: WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY digest 210
by TheWall
5) Re: Ringette
by "Catharine J. Reburn"
6) Ringette Regina Style
by email@hidden (Stanley Matz)
7) Re: guestbook signature
by "Andria L. Hunter"
8) Re: guestbook signature
by email@hidden (Chuq Von Rospach)
9) Need help with team by-laws
by email@hidden ("Diane E. Bender")
10) guys' acceptance
by "Serene Satterlund"
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 01:31:55 -0700
From: email@hidden (frank & tammy schulz)
To: Subscribers to
Subject: Ringette
Message-ID:
First of all, I just want to let you know that yes there is a minor hockey
team for girls in Richmond. This was the first year that the Lower Mainland
Female Ice Hockey League had a midget division and Richmond was one of the
teams.
Secondly, in reply to the message I read tonight, the rinks we play hockey
in are for several sports: figure skating, ringette, hockey, speed skating,
etc. They are not "hockey rinks" - they are ice arenas.
In regard to ringette - I played ringette for 14 years and coached ringette
for four years before switching to playing hockey four years ago. I am 26
years old and though I prefer hockey now, I thorougly enjoyed ringette. The
hockey team I play on is comprised of 16 players, 14 (incl. our goalie) of
which have played ringette for a number of years. Though we lack on
stickhandling and experience, we have readily been commended for our skating
abilities and aggressive forechecking. If you ever get a chance to watch a
live ringette game of high calibre ("Worlds" or "Nationals"), you will
notice that the players are as good in their skating if not better than
those of the best of the best womens hockey teams. Ringette is growing
worldwide, as the World Championship is in Sweden this year. I know many
girls in the LMFIHL who play both hockey and ringette and in their first
year of hockey have made the best of the Triple A teams. For instance,
Tracey Crowe (a well-known and excellent ringette player from Port
Coquitlam, British Columbia who is on the ringette "World" team for Canada)
played hockey for the first time last year and has now been to Nationals
twice in hockey (Brittania Blues Team).
Some people who have watched ringette on TV have found it to be boring, as
there is so much control and less body contact than hockey and is better to
watch live. The rules are different but the concept is much the same and
practices are quite similar so it is easy to understand why the two sports
are often compared. I found that the one year I played hockey and ringette,
I wasn't able to improve my stickhandling in hockey as much as I had hoped.
I hear comments about ringette-turned-hockey players as having "cement
hands" although wrist shots develop with ease. I watch the beginner hockey
players in our association and find that many of the precocious players are
the girls who have played ringette.
I guess I'm what Im trying to point out is that if you hear of girls who
want to switch from ringette to hockey - don't turn them away, you may be
impressed! You will have to break some habits (particularly for defense)
but all in all ringette is a good competitive sport as is hockey and it
should never be underestimated or compared subordinately to hockey. I guess
those people of our local ringette association who recently said "womens
hockey is like watching paint dry" would be proud to hear me now...
Tammy Schulz
Poco Phantoms, Lower Mainland Ice Hockey League
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:16:40 -0400
From: email@hidden (William Cumming (Deerfield Academy))
To: email@hidden
Subject: RE: hockey in Richmond
Message-ID:
>
>>I would also like to know what Ringette is. I noticed at the Richmond rink
>>banners for Ringette. Why do girls play ringette and boys play hockey?
>
On the subject of Ringette. I have several former ringette players on my
prep school team and they tell me that the sport id dying out in favor of
hockey. My sister, in Winnipeg, MB, reports the same thing. The last time my
daughter bought equipment in Winnipeg the clerk asked if it was for hockey
first. Three years ago, at the same shop, the clerk was amazed when she said
she played hockey.
just my $0.02
--
>From someone who doesn't have all the answers. That's OK, because learning
is more fun than knowing.
William G. Cumming Voice: (413)772-0241
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:44:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Catharine J. Reburn"
To: Deanna Foster
Subject: Re: Senior Womens Hockey in Kingston, Ontario?
Message-ID:
On Mon, 8 Apr 1996, Deanna Foster wrote:
> A friend of mine will be moving to Kingston this summer and is worried that
> she will not be able to find a team there. Does anyone know of any teams or
> leagues there? Any info I can get would be appreciated.
>
> Deanna Foster
> Greenwood, Nova Scotia, Canada
> email@hidden
Yes yes yes! I used to play on the women's senior B team the Kingston
Koogars (wich has also been C in some yrs) as a goalie.
As far as I know, there is now a Kingston Kodiaks senior womens A team
and a senior D team (possibly C) that were at the Brampton tournament.
As well as a rec league (4 teams in town, and they play 2 or 3 other
teams from towns nearby like Smith Falls, Bellville,Brockville, etc)
Queen's University has a varsity yeam. and there are intramural teams as
well. Also, there are plenty of pick-up games available that are
mostly-men, mostly-women, or equally mixed!
I could get you a name and number to contact if you need
Cathy Reburn
an old
Kingston Koogar
#40
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:03:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: TheWall
To: email@hidden
Cc: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY digest 210
Message-ID:
I have a question, I saw in a recap of the Pac Rim tourney a mention of
a goalie playing in the IHL, a name I hadn't heard before. So, my
question is, are there women currently playing in any of the pro leagues,
and who are they? Ihave heard about Erin Whitten's game(s?) in Toledo,
Kelly Dyer used to play in the Sunshine league, and Manon's exhibition
game in Tampa and her various stints in the ECHL and IHL, but are there
other women on rosters in any of these leagues that actually play? Also,
did anyone ever hear any more about the girl who was supposed to be
drafted???
Heather->thewall, goalie girl who wants to be like Mike (Richter)
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:08:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Catharine J. Reburn"
To: Lea and Robert Sanford
Subject: Re: Ringette
Message-ID:
On Tue, 9 Apr 1996, Lea and Robert Sanford wrote:
> Alot of the responces regarding ringette seem to slant rather negatively
> toward it as a poor substitute for hockey. I think that relegating
> ringette to a "lesser" status in pursuit of the "real" game may end up
> being a bad idea. Although I have neither seen nor played ringette, I
> have talked to some of the coaches here who have high praise for the
> game because it developes excellent skating skills. One of the coaches
> brought back ringette equipment from Canada to use with beginning hockey
> players (girls and boys). He said that he was at a rink watching kids
> (all about the same age group) and that the ringette players on one end
> were much betters skaters and more advanced players in general than the
> hockey players at the other end. His theory was the for the young
> beginner, ringette can be used to develop the skating skills and
> confidence needed for hockey. So don't overlook a potentially valuable
> tool just because it is a "girls" sport.
>
> --Lea
> email@hidden
> Houston, TX
>
>
I have to agree with much of this . Young ringette skaters that turn to
hockey tend to have (IMOHO) a greater skill in manouevering/twisting
skating/balance/sharp turns etc. just based on the type of play Ringette
requires. (When you lose the ring/miss the pass you have to be agile on
your feet and with your body to 'stab at the ring') when I played
Ringette (10 yrs old ) we played a boys hockey team (in ringette) and
skated circles around them. The boys had gotten too used to skating
straight up and down the rink or 'scrumming' on the board>
Unfortunately, I got pushed into Ringette (when I really wanted to play
hockey.... I played street hockey for yrs) by my mother who refused to
let me play ice hockey as it wasn't a 'ladylike sport' and was 'too
rough'. I now play ice hockey on several men's teams as a winger on some
and a goalie on others!
my advice to women/girls is to play on! if hockey is what you love then
play it and try to let the negative comments/advice bounce off you.
Cathy
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 10:43:04 -0600
From: email@hidden (Stanley Matz)
To: email@hidden
Subject: Ringette Regina Style
Message-ID:
I have played ringette for 4 years now and enjoy every aspect of it.
There are no rules as to the colour of the sticks; only certain brands are
disallowed because of faulty tips. (the metal tip has fallen out in some
cases, I am unsure of injuries) Many girls play ringette and more and more
are joining each year, even some boys.
I live in Regina, Saskatachewan and play on a junior (14 and 15 yr
olds) B (equivalent to tier 2 or 3) team. We played in tournaments in
Assiniboia, Sask, and Saskatoon, Sask. We lost our provincial play-off
games so we did not play in provincials in Luckly Lake, Sask. The play is
fast and tough.
The people who think that ringette is a whimpy version of hockey,
they should get a life. Sure there is no body contact but neither is their
some in womens' hockey. There have been a few fights in Regina. I was
getting ready to go to the dressing room, last season, when all of a sudden
all the spectaors went "oohh!". I looked and there was a full-fledged fight
going on. The type that Don Cherry would be proud of. The helmets and
gloves were off and they were swinging as hard as they could. If you think
that ringette is whimpy say it ot them.
Ringette helps skating and team play. There are a few ring hogs (I
have suffered being on teams with them), but the Ringette Saskatchewan is
looking at adding a 30 second shot clock. Similar to the one is basketball.
This will force more action in the offensive ends. This clock is already in
use in Europe. A Junior A (tier 1 or 2) team went to Finland for some
exhibiton games (did very well against the Fins) and had to quickly learn
how to use their thirty seconds wisely. The 30 seconds get started over
when a shot is taken.
I last the two/three years I have seen many players quit ringette to
play hockey. I have even considered it myself. The women's hockey in
Regina is just starting out so the age divisions are rather broad. Some
girls try to play both but one sport always suffers.
The Regina High School Athletic Association had a principals meeting
to discuss women's hockey as a school sport. There were at least 7 schools
interested in having the league, but he principals voted against it. We
will try again next semester.
For all who are wondering if boys really like playing ringette, I
have played against teams with boys on them (generally in tournaments where
the little rural towns come and need boys to complete the team). The boys
are not the star players and are often out of place. You can tell the ones
that play hockey because they will put their arm out to defend against a
stick check and get a penalty for intereference. In ringette you must pass
the ring over the blue lines, not red, blue, the hockey players will often
carry the ring across resulting in loss of possession. (If the ring is
passed all the way down the ice, over both blue lines, it's a two line pass.
The passing team must wait until the non-passing team touches the ring
before they can play the ring again)
I don't prefer ringette over hockey or vice versa. I am a big fan
of the Toronto Maple Leafs, I like Don Cherry and almost every day play
street hockey (even when it is -40 degrees C with the wind chill, +30 ish
degrees C, and any other weather condition it's always perfect for a game of
hockey.) it should be left up to the players as to which sport they want to
play. And all sexist pigs who think that hockey is a man's sport they
should grow up and face the facts that soem women are better than some men
at hockey.
Carlyn Matz
Regina, Saskatchewan
(middle of the praries)
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 13:02:08 -0400
From: "Andria L. Hunter"
To: email@hidden
Subject: Re: guestbook signature
Message-ID:
I must say that I didn't expect so much of a response to the guestbook
signature article. I was debating whether or not I should forward it,
because this type of article is the exception, rather than the norm,
and I think we all prefer to focus on the postitive things for women's
hockey, rather than the negative. But nonetheless, I think it serves
as a bit of a reminder that women's hockey isn't quite at the level
that we want it to be at yet, in terms of being accepted by the general
public. There has been a lot of improvement though!! :-)
I agree that the person who sent the article was probably a very young
individual who was a little jealous of his sister's recent hockey
accomplishments. I was telling Chuq that I don't see why the boy
wouldn't have been excited about his sister playing hockey, because
this should mean that he has someone to play hockey with at home now! :-)
Luckily this type of message is the exception, rather than the rule. I
find that in general, guys (and girls) are extremely accepting of women
who play hockey. I've played a lot of pickup hockey with guys, and
only rarely have I felt any type of tension. In the cases where I have
felt tension, it's from the one or two guys who don't like the idea of
a woman being better than them (and they did eventually get over it).
As someone else has mentioned, it's probably more society's fault,
than the fault of these guys.
I think the degree to which the guys will be accepting of women playing
hockey with them has a lot to do with the attitude that the women show.
If we make it clear that we are there just because we want to play and to
have fun, I think the guys will pick up on that and will not care that
they are playing with women. If we have an attitude that shows that we
think we're God's gift to hockey or that we think we should somehow be
treated special because we're women, then I really think that will be
met with animosity.
Ken, sure, I can give you his address. He signed the guestbook, and
the guestbook is accessible world-wide, so he obviously doesn't mind
that others know his views on women's hockey: :-)
Jon Smith
Please be kind to him, he's probably just a young kid!! :-) Perhaps
give him some facts about women's hockey, and the reality that it is
here to stay! :-)
I didn't bother to put his message in the guestbook, but perhaps I
will, because it may provide some humour for others! :-)
Andria
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 12:37:03 -0700
From: email@hidden (Chuq Von Rospach)
To: email@hidden, Subscribers to
Subject: Re: guestbook signature
Message-ID:
At 10:10 AM 4/10/96, Andria L. Hunter wrote:
> I was telling Chuq that I don't see why the boy
> wouldn't have been excited about his sister playing hockey, because
> this should mean that he has someone to play hockey with at home now! :-)
Yeah, but what if she beats him most of the time? (grin). Isn't THAT
proof girls shouldn't play hockey, after all? (if you can't beat them,
shut them out...)
> Luckily this type of message is the exception, rather than the rule. I
> find that in general, guys (and girls) are extremely accepting of women
> who play hockey.
It's funny, when we created this mail list, we were worried about the
pigs coming in just to slop up the joint. It was one of the BIG worries
-- and it simply hasn't happened. They exist, but you can't let the
occasional idiot or even paranoia about them stop you -- or they've
won...
As it turns out, it simply hasn't been a problem. And we're glad we
didn't let it stop us.
--
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Apple Solutions Marketing Webmaster
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:40:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: email@hidden ("Diane E. Bender")
To: email@hidden
Subject: Need help with team by-laws
Message-ID:
My team is trying to become a non-profit organization and needs to develop
by-laws. Can anyone help with suggestions or if anyone has been through this
process and can shed some light, I'd be grateful!!!
Thanks,
Diane Bender
North Carolina Trailblazers Women's Ice Hockey Team
email@hidden
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Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 19:24:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Serene Satterlund"
To: email@hidden
Subject: guys' acceptance
Message-ID:
I have to agree with Andria that the guys are very supportive. I play pick up
hockey here (East Lansing, MI) and the guys are always setting up plays,
passing the puck, and getting me involved.
Once when I was defending my own net, I was pushing this big guy out of the
way, and he fell. He wasn't the best skater as it was, so it was his own lack
of balance that knocked him over, but he felt justice had to be served. He got
up and fore-checked me hard enough to knock me on my butt... Other guys came
over and wanted to make sure he wasn't going to do anything else, which he
didn't -- then he got a lecture that I was only doing my job and the fact that
I was a girl shouldn't have made any difference. The next time we played HE
stayed away from ME!! Again, he is an exception...
-Serene-
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