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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 1 10:10 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 10:09:15 -0700
From: email@hidden (Erik Schwartz)
Subject: a nice story
As of yesterday my season tix had not shown up, so I called up the sharks
and they put the tickets on will call. When we got to the arena (about
6:50) the will call window was hell. They finally issued us "location
passes" which were essentially hand written tickets. This whole process
took about 20 minutes or so and by the end of it I was not in a great mood.
So we go up to the seats and they are superb. Right over an entrance
tunnel, no one in front of us, as good as upper rim but 14 bucks cheaper
(no cup holders). Anyway halfway through the first period who comes up the
aisle but the woman from the will call booth who hands me the season ticket
package. Excellent in seat service.
Some thoughts on the game:
The defense looked really solid, Sykora really looks like he wants to avoid
being sent down. People seem to be avoiding contact with Rathje, his size
seems to be intimidating them. They're not giving up the blue line without
a hit. They seem to be clearing the front of the net out after a shot much
better than last year (fewer 2nd and 3rd shots).
On offense things looked pretty good. The power play was mixed, sometimes
it clicked, sometimes it didn't. Makarov is going to score a lot of points
(if an old man can stay healthy) 100 points is not inconceivable. Generally
passing is much crisper and the veterans have much better "vision" on the
ice.
If either goalie (Irbe or Waite) only has to face 23 shots per game (6 in
the final minute) things will be looking good.
misc notes to Isles:
No matter what you do you are not going to get Garpenlov to drop the
gloves, so quit the cheap shots.
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Erik Schwartz ICTV Inc.
email@hidden (408) 562-9200
Epicenter 223/6/12-13 Santa Clara
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 1 10:31 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 10:30:23 -0800
From: email@hidden (Brian Bechtel)
Subject: More thoughts on 4-2 Sharks over Islanders
I sat up in the LOUD area; 209 (Thanks to Kevin Ball,
email@hidden) for this opportunity. They have some interesting
nicknames for Sharks players:
Bambi: Faloon
Psycho: Sykora
Huggie: Doug Wilson
etc.
I thought that Sykora, Whitney, and Errey were standouts in the game. (I
didn't keep track of the three stars, but all three were Sharks.)
Cherbayev took several unnecessary penalties, and worked hard, but looked
outclassed. He needs more K.C. barbeque, IHMO. Whitney, as Kevin said,
looks tired of barbeque.
The Sharks have a couple of habits from last year (dump and chase, pass to
opposing players) which they are trying to break. Their new offense was
very effective at getting lots of crossing shots in front of the goal; as
soon as someone gets in the crease and stays there, we're going to have a
lot of points. In a pre-season game like this one, you can't judge the
"sitting in front of the goal" part of the game very well.
All in all, a satisfying win. We held the Islanders to TWO! shots on goal
in the second period. Subtract the 6 shots in the last minute or so, and
the Islanders only had 16 for the game! Good stuff!
--Brian Bechtel email@hidden "My opinion, not Apple's"
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 1 10:42 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 10:41:53 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: a nice story
>(no cup holders).
Yet...
>The defense looked really solid, Sykora really looks like he wants to avoid
>being sent down. People seem to be avoiding contact with Rathje, his size
>seems to be intimidating them.
Sykora looks sharp. An amazing sense of what's going on on the ice. At least
twice someone got behind his partner (Zmolek at least once), and Sykora
caught it and killed the breakaway without a shot on goal. His stick
handling is superb. Once last night, on one of these aborted breakaways, he
skated full-tilt after a guy, caught him from behind swatted at the puck and
poked it away, and then carried him off into the boards. Most defensemen
would have hooked him down and taken the penalty.
I mentioned to Laurie at one point that I hadn't seen much of Rathje. She
pointed out it was because he was quietly skating around and having people
fall down when they ran into him. Definitely a defensive defenseman (Sykora
is more of a two-way defenseman. Good defense, will make people crazy on
offesne by crashing the crease, but he needs a parner who hangs back and
covers. But he's pretty fast for his size, too).
>They seem to be clearing the front of the net out after a shot much
>better than last year (fewer 2nd and 3rd shots).
Definitely. There's always someone there cleaning the crease. Rather
amazing.
>No matter what you do you are not going to get Garpenlov to drop the
>gloves, so quit the cheap shots.
I think we'll see this a lot this season. The "I can't believe wer're losing
to an expansion team" frustration. What's GOOD is that our team is very
carefully avoiding responding, which means the opposition gives up even more
bad penalties...
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 1 10:51 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 10:48 PDT
From: email@hidden (Doug Fierro)
Subject: Arena 1st impressions
Well, believe it or not, last night's game was the first time I made
it over to the new Arena! Some thoughts-
Location: if you are near a Cal Trans station and live in Sunnyvale
or Mt. View, the arena is a piece of cake to get to this year.
I got on at the Lawerence station after work (near Price Club)
and it took less than 15 minutes I think to get to the San Jose
stop where the arena is. The walk from the station to the arena
is 2 or 3 blocks at most.
It was funny because on the way back I was talking to these people
and I said the new arena is much more convenient for me to get to
and the round-trip ticket is cheaper than parking at the Cow Palace,
and it turns out they live about 10 minutes from Daily City so they
were complaining how the arena is so far away now! I paid my dues
driving up to the Cow Palace for the last two seasons, so I didn't
feel too bad for them :-)
Outside- aluminum siding is ok; the local ambiance is a step up
from the Cow Palace. Lots of cops from the arena to the Cal Trans
station so folks shouldn't fee to concerned about walking at night.
Inside- ok, I knew the prices were going to be expensive for food
and drinks, but the Arena prices make Airport cuisine look like a
bargain. Almost 5 bucks a beer, a sandwich for $5.25; geez, what
is with the price gouging? And the sandwich took forever to get-
how long does it take to make a sandwich? I guess if you only go
to a few games a year it's not so bad but w/ season tickets, I'm
definitely going to drop by the Togos near the CalTrans station
a lot this season!
And with such a state-of-the-art stadium, why are the isles still
so damn cramped??? People cannot walk by without the whole row
having to rise up, and with the vertigo seats in 209 you can
effectively block off several rows' views of people sitting behind
you when you stand up. I don't think the cup holders are such a win
if they make it impossible for people to walk by. Why not make
them like the Century theatres with the cup holders in the armrest?
The arena seats were not that comfortable, and I'm not an overweight
person - the seats on the train were more comfortable!
The inside temp was not that comfortable either- definitely above
72F. Maybe when winter comes the arena will cool down a bit, but
if this is supposed to be some state-of-the-art stadium, why in
the hell can't they get the AC to work well?
I couldn't find the organ player- where does he sit?
The scoreboard/video suspended in the center of the ice doesn't
have the best quality picture- up in my nosebleed seats some of
the camera shots on the video screen seemed further away then
the actual play on ice right in front of us. Also why are the
graphics for shots on goal, the score, etc. so tiny? They also
need to load some new graphics besides that "WOW" one. That is
one thing I liked about the Cow Palace is that the two light
boards on each side of the stadium where large and you could
easily see all the stats. And the stadium is very short on
accessible garbage containers- I walked about 1/4 mile with
my empty cup in the arena after 1st period and there was not
one trash can close by at all on the way back to my seats.
And I'm NEVER going to get a chance to catch a stray puck
in 209!!! They would have to launch it from a cannon to reach
us where we are- not too many rows from the Penthouse boxes.
I did not get a chance to use the bathrooms- someone in our row
said that is one of the highlights of the stadium. I don't know
if that is good or not, but I'll find out opening night :-)
So that is enough bitching for one mail :-) I really wouldn't mind so
much all the shortcomings except that the Sharks people have been hyping
this stadium as the newest state-of-the-art arena and the higher priced
tickets are justified because of how modern it is and in fact falls short
of its expectations. It is an overall win for me because the proximity
is much closer for me now, but if this stadium was built in S.F. with
a McDonald's-size parking lot and way overpriced food and drinks with
cramped-and-expensive seats, I would seriously have to think if this is
much better than the Cow Palace. Sure, the C.P. is a pit, but I swear
the seats had more room there, and you were closer to the ice and the
drinks were cheaper and so were the ticket prices- my old section 1 seats
in S.F. were $24- the equivalent seats at the San Jose arena are
sec. 121-123 (except on the 107-109 end of the ice) and those seats are
38 bucks!
But the Sharks beat the Islanders, so it was worth it :-) I think that
the seats will be filled regardless of the comfort or price as long as the
Sharks win. If they fail to win consistently, a lot of over-priced seats are
going to remain unsold, and someone is going to end up eating those costs.
Doug
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 1 10:57 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 10:56:17 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: More thoughts on 4-2 Sharks over Islanders
>I thought that Sykora, Whitney, and Errey were standouts in the game. (I
>didn't keep track of the three stars, but all three were Sharks.)
Errey, I think, is going to remove most of the pain from losing Kisio. I
would have liked to have both, but I think Errey will give us the kind of
on-ice leadership and gutsy play Kelly did. He's STILL my choice for captain
(and, after last night's game, my choices for alternates are Jayson More and
Mike Sullivan. They were both showing lots of skill and hustle, but were
also clearly taking charge out on the ice, and the players had respect for
them. Good enough for me. Both, a couple of times, did some low-key chewing
out of Sharks that missed plays and went over and talked to players about
positioning or strategy).
Errey did one thing last night I found fascinating. After one of his
penalties, when the Isles had the puck, he popped out of the box, skated to
the blue line and camped there and started calling for the puck with his
stick. It almost worked, but then he kept at it for a bit. It finally dawned
on me that he was making enough noise (while also clogging up the patch
between the two defenseman to kill the pass) that the Isles were having
trouble communicating. Not something you'll notice unless you're up close.
>Cherbayev took several unnecessary penalties, and worked hard, but looked
>outclassed.
Yeah. And he was frankly the only one who visibly looked out of his league.
I'll go out on the limb here: I think EITHER of the two 'teams' Constantine
has been fielding in the pre-season is better than the Sharks we had last
year, KC-bound players or no. Constantine is going to have real problems
making the final cuts, and some of them are going to be because of numbers,
not skill.
That doesn't mean we're a great team, or even necessarily a good team, but
we sure are a better team. And it's a team that ought to get it's share of
wins.
>Whitney, as Kevin said, looks tired of barbeque.
Definitely.
The Sharks have a couple of habits from last year (dump and chase, pass to
opposing players) which they are trying to break. Their new offense was
very effective at getting lots of crossing shots in front of the goal; as
soon as someone gets in the crease and stays there, we're going to have a
lot of points. In a pre-season game like this one, you can't judge the
"sitting in front of the goal" part of the game very well.
All in all, a satisfying win. We held the Islanders to TWO! shots on goal
in the second period. Subtract the 6 shots in the last minute or so, and
the Islanders only had 16 for the game! Good stuff!
--Brian Bechtel email@hidden "My opinion, not Apple's"
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 1 11:03 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 11:02:03 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: tonight (9/30) game!!
> Lots of "interefering with the goaltender" penalties: At least three
> that I remember.
At least one was richly deserved, and the resultant booing of referee
Dennis (?) LaRue was not. Sykora (as I recall) was busy trying to
keep a NYI defenseman out of the play, and didn't appear to realize
that the NYI net and goalie were right in his path. He crashed in
like a runaway train.
> Transport: Took the Light Rail down
A lot of us used the CalTrain, and I certainly plan to continue doing so.
The pregame trains were running about 15 minutes late, but that's why I
aimed for the 6:26 train (from Mtn. View) instead of one scheduled to arrive
closer to game time. There was a long wait for the postgame train to leave.
(It left on time, at 10:45.) The conductor announced that the usual wait
won't be that long, because this game was finished earlier than most -- due
to the lack of television commercials, he said. [It *was* over earlier than
usual, but I think it was mostly because it was a good, clean game, with
very little time wasted on fighting and offsides.]
> Arena: Beautiful.
Definitely. And I only had an eight-person wait for my Gordon Biersch
(who had a stand just outside my entryway).
But the best thing about the whole night was the passing and rebounding
and generally great hockey that the Boys of Teal were showing us. If
they were to play that way for 84 games, they'd be in the playoffs for
sure. Mind you, I think some of those 84 will actually duds like
the second period of the game in LA two nights ago, but *if* they
could keep it up...
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 1 11:18 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 11:17:16 PDT
From: Laurie Sefton
Subject: administrivia
1. September archive is up on ftp.apple.com in directory:
/pub/lsefton/sharks/monthly.archive
2. We are ramping up much faster on the archive size than we did last year.
3. see #2--if you though September had a lot of mail, just wait for this
month. If you are already inundated with mail now, switch to the digest
format. As usual, requests go to: email@hidden
Note: If you're on Compuserve, the digest will overflow your mailbox. This
is due to a line limitation on mail for CIS.
4. Remember to check all the attributes on your mail before you send it. On
one of the other lists on this system, we just had a large crossover from an
internal list from anothe company. A lot of people didn't know they were
posting to both lists. We do have members of other team lists here.
Laurie
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 1 11:56 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 11:55:53 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: SJ Arena initial thoughts
First hockey game, second trip to the arena.
We parked in the lot just off 85 ($7), where they were having logistical
problems getting things set up for the evening flat fee event parking, so we
sat waiting to get in for a couple of moments. Hey, a new arena, lots of
complexity and dress reheasals only help so much with crowds of 15,000, so
there's going to be some shakedown periods until they get it all right.
This was even more amusing because about 10 minutes later the frat boys in
the seats in front of us showed up, minicam in hand. Took video of each
other, took video of the warmups, and then an usher came by and had them
pull the battery. They were reasonable about it, but I'm wonderig if they
came in the same door we did and the woman was afraid to ask... (snicker).
More probably, the things are getting to small you don't always notice them,
and it's not clear the policy is well-known or completely clear to the staff
yet (on the other hand, there are lots of people there who's job it is to
fix these things, and get them fixed pleasantly and politely. Smiling seems
to be part of the job description, which is nice).
That lot is maybe 5 minutes walk if yo miss all the lights. Given the new
prices at the Cow Palace ($6 and up), I think it's a shorter walk than most
of the CP lot (especially the upper lot), so I can't complain.
As we start to go in, we're stopped and told no cameras. Not an auspcious
beginning. A supervisore shows up, and the door-droid is told it's no VIDEO
cameras, so in we go. Only later do we realize that they never did tear the
ticket stubs off due to the confusion (I think Laurie and I were both in
"beams of death" stare mode about then, and the door-droid was just a bit
embarassed and inhibited.
We wander into the club area, since we're a part of the wine and cheese
crowd. I immediately turn the wrong direction, so we get a nice, wandering
look at the inside of the club area (this is not unusual. Given two
directions to choose at random, I will, 90% of the time, choose the wrong
one. Laurie and I tend to go on lots of nice scenic drives this way...).
It's nicely plus, lots of area for club members to sit and chat (and drink,
and eat, and, and drink, and...), but given how the upper level is very wide
open and airy with lots of space, the club area is very close. I dont want
to use the word cramped, because it's not really appropriate, but as someone
with tendencies to claustrophobia, they could have raised the ceilings six
inches and I would have been happier.
If you think of the Club area as a huge sports bar, you aren't far wrong.
Lots of interesting pictures, graphics, lots of alcoves with chairs, bars,
food places. It looks like the Club area has been designed with facilities
to minimize line waits for the customers (more people than strictly
necessary) while maximizing the ability to socialize (encourage socializing,
in fact). It was a little dimmer lighting than I prefer, emphasizing the
bar aspects.
We really didn't explore the club area that much, or check out the bars/food.
I plan on doing more of that Saturday. We went down, found our seats, and
checked out the inside of the arena instead.
Our seats aren't exactly where they they were supposed to be based on the
preview and our discussions while buying them. We're right on goal line,
while we thought we'd be a little further towards center. The corner seating
is a little jumbled, with section 126 only coming halfway down, while 127
(ours) jutting across in front of it for the first ten rows or so. Once you
figure it out, it makes sense, but looks funny initially.
Our sight lines are pretty good. The longer ice affects it more than I
thought it would (the other goal is a LONG WAY AWAY now...), but we don't
have bobbing heads or any of the other things we loved in the CP to deal
with. The complains are minor, for me. Our seats (one and two) are on one of
the risers and seat 3 is on another, so there's a space on both sides. No
elbow jiggling.
Being right on the edge of the club seats, acccess back to the club area
involves walking past a bunch of folks, up and around. (aww, poor baby...).
Being Wine & Cheese types, we decided to try out the service, so we had dinner
shipped to our seats. Getting Anchor Steam delivered is fun. The
tequila-marinated chicken sandwiches with salsa showed up without any salsa,
and were a bit on the dry side, but they show potential. Potato chips
included, but since this is the 'healthy' sandwich, I wish they'd do
something else, like raw veggies. Not having checked out any of the food but
the delivery option, I really don't want to say too much about food yet, but
these were definitely in the "well, it's okay" category. Arena food, not
what it could be, but definitely not a boiled hot dog on Wonder Bread,
either.
dinner for two: (two sandwiches, with chips, a beer and a diet pepsi
), $17.50. Useful if you're (a) late, (b)
exhausted, or (c) showing off, but I think I'll go up and get my own.
Or better yet, grab Togos and save the bucks. The service menu is very
limited, but the technology is neat. The waiters have transmitters,
punch in the order and it gets sent to the kitchen. Shortly thereafter,
a runner brings it out to you. Reduces the amount of running up and
down those stairs. (the waiters were still learning the ordering
machines, too. More shakedown...)
We're near a photo porthole, which is nice. We can even use it if it's not
busy, as long as we don't over do it, which is also nice. Mostly the
policies seem to be not to abuse things. I can live with that.
There are lots of things they're still figuring out. Most of Fierro's
complaints, for instance, are "new arena" problems. The sound system is way
too loud. The air conditioning needs to be tweaked. Stuff like that. It's
hard to predict how to cool a building with 15,000 people and a huge ice
cube in the middle until you actually DO it. It'll probably be better
Saturday. Sooner or later, it'll be right.
Highlight of the non-game: sitting across the aisle from us were two
couples, including a pair of Blondes. One was wearing a King's jacket, and
the other was wearing this thing, I guess it was a dress, made out of
leather and lycra. The frat boys in front of us were definitely impressed.
Anyway, these folks kept wandering down to the glass inv arious combinations
to get their pictures taken. during the second intermission, the one in the
dress slinked down for one more picture and turned around away from the
glass. At that same momen, Jamie Baker had been skating past, and the look
on his face was priceless. Hey, Jamie. Watch out for whiplash, guy.
After the game, it was a quick walk back to the garage, pop in the car, and
out onto the freeway. Two, three minute wait max. Traffic issues are trivial
compared to the CP, and the lack of a single concentration of parking and
the limited access to that really helps. Saturday, we'll probably light rail
in.
If there are problems, from what I can tell they're new building issues.
They'll get resolved. I think the architecture of the arena is really neat,
and that the Sharks are doing a great job of making it work. it isn't
perfect, but it's too early to expect perfection.
Give the arena an opening night rating of, say, 80 on a scale to 100
(where 100 is the perfect arena, meaning tickets are $10 for first row
center ice, seats 12, and food is free...). I expect it'll top 90 down
the road, once everyone fiures out which buttons to push and where
things are. Can't complain too much.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 1 12:00 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 11:59:40 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: tonight (9/30) game!!
>At least one was richly deserved, and the resultant booing of referee
>Dennis (?) LaRue was not.
They were calling tight, but not too tight, and without the face off
problems we had in the Cow Palace. There were some non-calls and some
questionable calls on both sides, so it evened out.
The only one that bothered me was the intereference call on Irbe that lead
to the second goal. I don't know what Larue was thinking there. it was not a
good call. But not many complaints on the officiating here.
>But the best thing about the whole night was the passing and rebounding
>and generally great hockey that the Boys of Teal were showing us.
hear, hear!
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 1 14:30 PDT 1993
From: Nelson Lu
Subject: Re: a nice story
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 14:28:31 -0700 (PDT)
> misc notes to Isles:
>
> No matter what you do you are not going to get Garpenlov to drop the
> gloves, so quit the cheap shots.
Well, although I have never seen Johan fight, there was the one game against
Winnipeg last season when Doug Wilson got a cheap shot (I think from Igor
Ulanov) and Garpenlov quickly went after the player...
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 1 15:47 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Bruce McKenzie)
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 15:38:07 -0700
Subject: Re: SJ Arena initial thoughts
> fix these things, and get them fixed pleasantly and politely. Smiling seems
> to be part of the job description, which is nice).
As I left, the attendant started into the "Bye...Bye now....Bye...Good night..." routine. Sounded like
a flight attendant. All staff was pleasant. They did have a habit of standing in the accessways
(four across) and blocking people coming through.
> look at the inside of the club area (this is not unusual. Given two
> directions to choose at random, I will, 90% of the time, choose the wrong
> one. Laurie and I tend to go on lots of nice scenic drives this way...).
I took a wrong turn and ended up in the Employee check-in area. Sure was tempted....Just think
the game could pay for itself.
> exhausted, or (c) showing off, but I think I'll go up and get my own.
> Or better yet, grab Togos and save the bucks. The service menu is very
> limited, but the technology is neat. The waiters have transmitters,
> punch in the order and it gets sent to the kitchen. Shortly thereafter,
> a runner brings it out to you. Reduces the amount of running up and
> down those stairs. (the waiters were still learning the ordering
> machines, too. More shakedown...)
Not bad, but a few glitches. First, I asked the waiter "Is the food the same price as it is upstairs?"
They said "Yes", so I ordered. Later on I saw that it was more (the barkers have pins on their
sleeves). Oh well. Chalk one up...
They were working hard, though. They had paper copies of the order so as to handle system
glitches. My food order was correct, but the waitress had written the wrong row/seat, so the
server had a time finding me.
> There are lots of things they're still figuring out. Most of Fierro's
> complaints, for instance, are "new arena" problems. The sound system is way
> too loud. The air conditioning needs to be tweaked. Stuff like that. It's
>From row 2, the video screen was impossible to see. The sound system was murky. The lights
were too bright up in the stands. Hey, these are shake-out issues. No big prob.
---
Bruce McKenzie (email@hidden, NeXTMail OK)
"So..happy..ironing..for..my..friend..Stimpy!"
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 1 15:52 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 15:48:09 PDT
From: kahului!email@hidden (Douglas J Whisler)
email@hidden
Subject: Re: tonight (9/30) game!!
> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 11:59:40 PDT
> From: Chuq Von Rospach
>
> The only one that bothered me was the intereference call on Irbe that lead
> to the second goal. I don't know what Larue was thinking there. it was not a
> good call. But not many complaints on the officiating here.
>
Disagree. It was quite correct, LaRue knew what Irbe was doing. Islanders
had iced the puck & were fast on beating the Sharks to it. Irbe came out
behind like he was gonna play the puck, then let it go by and played the
Islander who was chasing the puck so that one of the Sharks could touch
up for the icing. And that is interference, because he prevented the Islander
from getting to the puck. Irbe threw a pretty fair block, like he's been
watching the 49rs.... Nice try, tho.
In general, Irbe has learned about playing players around the net from
last year (as in lesson #66 last year). Twice already we've seen him
not let them out once they've gone into the net (preseason @ CowPalace)
or be sure they knock the posts off if they fall in the crease (last night).
It's like he's more sure of his puck-stopping ability and is adding
a physical presence to his game.
2nd subject: open house skate. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I know
it the open house is 10am - 3pm. This would mean there's only 5 skate
sessions of 45 min each. You either gotta get there early for the 10am
session, or (like I did for the roller sessions) get there in the AM
and get a pass for the 2pm or 3pm session. Given a choice between that
and spending the whole day/afternoon sailing on the bay (if I can fix
the tow vehicle's brake calipers) - well - it's a tough choice, but -
don't expect me at the arena.
To all those who responded, have fun, eh?
- DW
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 1 16:04 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 16:03:48 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
email@hidden, kahului!whisler
Subject: Re: tonight (9/30) game!!
>Irbe came out
> behind like he was gonna play the puck, then let it go by and played the
>Islander who was chasing the puck so that one of the Sharks could touch
>up for the icing. And that is interference, because he prevented the Islander
>from getting to the puck. Irbe threw a pretty fair block, like he's been
>watching the 49rs.... Nice try, tho.
I've seen Belfour do this a number of times, and he's never been called.
This is probably a judgment penalty. If the Sharks are in regular season, or
not well ahead late in the third, it doesn't get called.
>Twice already we've seen him
>not let them out once they've gone into the net (preseason @ CowPalace)
"You want in my goal, you can BE in my goal! Oh, yo
want out? my leg is in the way? I'm sorry, I don't speak English"
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 1 16:48 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden
Subject: Practice Report
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 93 16:50:52 PDT
I went to the Sharks practice today. They looked relaxed and they had fun
out there.
Larionov was not skating, I don't know why. He also had very little ice time
in the Islander game. Maybe he's still hurt.
Tom Pederson was skating like a madman. He had a brace on his wrist and hand
(underneath his glove).
Bad News: Shank pulled a groin muscle and had to leave immediately. He was
very pissed off about it. This could hurt his chances of making the team.
They're working hard and they look sharp.
Ken Zarifes
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 1 17:53 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 17:50:26 +0800
From: email@hidden (Mike Eisler)
Subject: last night's game the arena
just to add to the pot ...
- Sharks looked uneven. While the Islanders looked worse, this
is irrelevant since they aren't in our conference.
Falloon wasn't clicking, but he did lay a nice hit in
the offensive zone at the beginning. I'm getting a
little anxious about his development. The new additions
make up for the lost personnel.
- Somebody complained about the people entering and leaving seats
during the game, but it seemed to me to happen a lot less
often than at the Palace. I think this a function of
long radial aisles, and nothing but skyboxes and walls at
the top of them. This is a good thing for the fans in
the seats ... though the Sharks may not like the concession
revenues.
- The railings in the 200 level. I didn't really understand all
the fuss being in row 14 of 213, but last night I took
the time to see what the view was like from lower rows,
and I agree it is a problem. From row 14, even if the rail
was across the entire ice surface (it isn't ... it doesn't
go above the glass on rink from my perspective) it wouldn't
be a big deal because the vertical pipes and horizontal
wires obscure no more than the width of the puck on
the surface. From the lower rows this is not the case, and
it is a major distraction. The best fix would be to
extend the upper rim seating where the rail is now, remove
the rail as the other rim seats have, and move the stairs back
into the concourse 3 feet. Probably about $1million to change
it, but the Sharks would be able to replace a bunch of
$28 seats with new $38 rim seats.
- When that place is sold out, it is possible that the noise
could rival Chicago stadium ... can't wait for Oct. 14.
- The Go Man was harder to hear (and I'm about 20 feet
closer to virtual 107 this year) ... I think you are
going to have to resort to power gak.
- Pending the results of 10/14 (a sold out game), I think my
worries about the traffic might be groundless. I won't
if we drove or LRT'ed (I don't want to start a lemming
run in one direction that will make both methods unusable),
but suffice to say that both methods looked or were quick.
So whatever plan you had to get to the stadium you should
probably stick with.
- The food/beverages seem more expensive than the Palace ($2.50
for a "large" soda that was smaller similarly priced Palace
wares). I won't be playing ... I'll be bringing my own.
-mre
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 1 18:41 PDT 1993
Date: 1 Oct 1993 18:47:47 -0800
From: "Dave Comstock"
Subject: Open Skate Is 10-7
Reply to: Open Skate Is 10-7
Douglas Whisler sez:
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I know it the open house is 10am - 3pm.
It's supposed to be from 10AM to 7PM. So there should be nine sessions.
Still, my guess is that it will be packed the whole time, if the rollerblading
on September 17th was anything to go by...
Dave Comstock
120/7/7-10
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 1 19:51 PDT 1993
Date: 1 Oct 1993 19:57:06 -0800
From: "Dave Comstock"
Subject: Re: tonight (9/30) game!!
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>> The only one that bothered me was the intereference call on Irbe that lead
>> to the second goal.
>>
>>Chuq
>
>Disagree. It was quite correct, LaRue knew what Irbe was doing...Irbe came
out
>behind like he was gonna play the puck, then let it go by and played the
>Islander who was chasing the puck so that one of the Sharks could touch
>up for the icing.
>
>Douglas Whisler
Chuq, I guess that's what you get for being in the fourth row instead of the
first!
;-)
To be truthful, Douglas caught something that I didn't catch either: from my
angle (Section 124, row 19 last night), I couldn't see where the puck was, so I
AssUMed Arturs was playing the puck. I **was** trying to figure out why Arturs
didn't just get rid of the puck though. Now I know why: he didn't have it!
After the whistle was blown, I turned around to explain to my wife that the
Islander was being penalized for interference...and then said, "Uh-oh, it was
US that did something wrong" when Cherbayev headed to the box.
As others have pointed out the Sharks' passing was excellent last night. I can
recall one or two games during the last two seasons when the Sharks clicked
like that, and the contrast between those handful of games and the rest of the
Sharks' games was very striking.
The thing that I do not ever remember the Sharks doing as well as they did last
night was their play in the center ice area and their own defensive end. The
Sharks were stripping the Islanders of the puck, picking off passes,
transitioning from defense to offense (and vice versa) quickly, riding
Islanders out of danger on long runs down the wings, slowing people down with
well-timed hits, backing each other up, clearing people and rebounds away from
the net, and blocking shots (in numerous different ways) better than I've ever
seen.
I don't want to get people's hopes up too high -- it was only one game, and a
very emotional one at that -- but a couple of days ago I was watching a tape
I'd made of the Kings-Canadians Stanley Cup Final games, and the Sharks'
defensive play reminded me a bit of the Canadians' play. If the Sharks can
keep up that level of defensive play (or at least stay close to that level), it
will be a good season. I think that keeping their opponent's shots down to
nine or ten a period is possible, and that would allow the goalies more energy
for the saves that only they can make.
Another thing that struck me: In the past, the Sharks would often have major
problems clearing the front of the net and end up screening their own goalie on
shots. I counted several occasions last night where the Islanders took shots
that Irbe could see all the way despite the fact that all the Islanders were in
the Sharks' zone. Arturs has the reactions -- as does Jimmy Waite -- but you
often need to be a psychic to pick up the puck when it's shot through
traffic...
If last night and last Saturday's Buffalo game are any indication, the Sharks
will have a good home record this season. The crowd seemed to pick them up and
feed the Sharks' offensive and defensive heroics, and I think opposing teams
will find it much more difficult to beat the Sharks at home.
On the road, I'm not sure how well the Sharks will do. They should be better
than in either of the first two seasons, but that's not saying much. So far,
they've lost every preseason game on the road, but by close margins every time.
My prediction is that the Sharks' road games will be similar to the first
season's home games: a lot of one-goal and two-goal losses, with a reasonable
number of wins and overtime games.
Whether this will result in a playoff berth is anyone's guess, but I think the
days of calling the Sharks an expansion team may be over. They're playing like
an established NHL team -- not one of the better ones, mind you -- but an
established team nonetheless. If they can keep the injuries down and continue
the progress they've made since the end of last season, I think all of us fans
will be very well entertained this season.
Dave Comstock
120/7/7-10
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sat Oct 2 21:15 PDT 1993
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 93 21:10:34 PDT
From: email@hidden (Dane Collins)
Subject: questions about tonights game
A couple of questions about tonight's game. Why were there so many
empty seats? The concourse level looked empty. Also, why did the
sharks play Craigwell in overtime? While I like him, I would not
consider him their strongest player. It seems that there is something
that I am missing here. On another note, am I the only one who felt that
the sharks were playing shorthanded most of the time?
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sat Oct 2 22:01 PDT 1993
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 93 21:59:13 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: questions about tonights game
>A couple of questions about tonight's game. Why were there so many
>empty seats?
Attendance was 10,2mumble. There were a lot of empty seats because this is a
much bigger arena, this was pre-season and not part of the season-ticket
package.
>Also, why did the
>sharks play Craigwell in overtime? While I like him, I would not
>consider him their strongest player.
Are you saying during the two man disadvantage? They had two big, husky kids
down deep (Sandis and Zmolek, if I remember properly) and Craigwell playing
rabbit up front. He's one of their fasted players (probably the fastest
dressed), and since his job was to hound the puck and not let them set up,
speed was a primary need. Hey, he did a great job, too.
>On another note, am I the only one who felt that
>the sharks were playing shorthanded most of the time?
Brian Trottier did not call what I'd define as a good game. In fact, I'd
almost say he called a real shicky game. The Blackhawks got away with
butchering a number of Sharks, especially in the third, and then in the
overtime while a man down he calls a phantom penalty and tries to hand the
game to the hawks (the too many men was a proper call). Given what he HADN'T
called, that overtime penalty was a horrible call. (I don't ask for referres
to be good. That's not possible in the NHL. I ask them to be consistent. He
wasn't).
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sat Oct 2 22:10 PDT 1993
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 93 22:08:53 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Sharks 3, Hawks 3
San Jose tied the Hawks today, holding them (AND referee Brian
Trottier) off for a 3-3 score. This included a two-man advantage for
about a minute to the Blackhawks after the Sharks got called for too
many men (a proper call) and for some phantom oopsie in the crease only
Trottier saw a little bit later (insert standard referee rhetoric here.
Waht drove me crazy was not bad calls per se, but how inconsistent he
was. Blackhawks were getting away with literal muggings during the
third period right in front of him, and then he calls a ticky-tack
during a powerplay in overtime. hand it to them, brian. If it's not a
penalty one time, it's still not a penalty later, okay? And he called
about four against the Sharks that were at best marginal).
Damn good game. San Jose was dressing what is probably real close to
their final lineup (three, maybe four players max that might not make
it). The Hawks were probably at about 80% of final lineup, including
pretty much all the major players (Graham, Chelios, et al).
Waite in goal for the Sharks looked great. Hackett in goal for the
Hawks (got a very mixed greeting when he was announced. Wilkinson
skated, but wasn't starting so wasn't announced. Wilkinson's ice time
was somewhat limited and didn't exactly stand out positively OR
negatively to me). Hackett at times looked nervous, at times looked
pretty fair, and at time looked like, um, Hackett. No soft goals on
either side, though.
Sykora, Kroupa and Rathje all are frankly playing like they are going
to stay with the Sharks (and deserve to. Of the three, Rathje is
probably the weakest). Markarov and Sullivan were scratched, Larionov
is being listed as out with a separated left shoulder (no word on when,
were or how severe). We got our first look at Nazarov. Nice, big kid.
Pretty good on skates. Probably starts at K.C., but shouldnt' stay
there long.
Sykora and Kroupa continue to impress the hell out of me. A definite
presence and a maturity far beyond their years. Kroupa looks like an
absolute steal....
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sun Oct 3 01:46 PDT 1993
From: Richard McGowen
Subject: Re: questions about tonights game
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1993 01:43:47 -0700 (PDT)
>
> >Also, why did the
> >sharks play Craigwell in overtime? While I like him, I would not
> >consider him their strongest player.
>
> Are you saying during the two man disadvantage? They had two big, husky kids
> down deep (Sandis and Zmolek, if I remember properly) and Craigwell playing
> rabbit up front. He's one of their fasted players (probably the fastest
> dressed), and since his job was to hound the puck and not let them set up,
> speed was a primary need. Hey, he did a great job, too.
I second this. This is the first time I have seen Craigwell this year
and I must say I was quite impressed with him.
>
> >On another note, am I the only one who felt that
> >the sharks were playing shorthanded most of the time?
>
> Brian Trottier did not call what I'd define as a good game. In fact, I'd
> almost say he called a real shicky game. The Blackhawks got away with
I got the impression that he was trying to call one of each type of
penalty that exists. How many games do you go to where you get a
too many men on the ice, an elbowing, and a charging call all in the
same game.
Seriously though, I was glad to see the sharks even tie the game with
his calls later in the game. For me even one penalty in overtime is
pushing it. But two, especially when the team is already a man down.
He was trying real hard to hand the game to Chicago. The worst part was
his blindness in the third period when the Sharks were having a great
offensive rally and he didn't call several blatant fouls. He could at
least have been consistant (sp?) and either called the penalties in the
end of the third to give the sharks an opportunity or not have called
the penalties in over time.
Overall, I was quite impressed. The team seems much improved over last
year. Just wish they could stay out of the penalty box.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sun Oct 3 10:24 PDT 1993
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1993 10:25:21 +0800
From: email@hidden (Michael Bothe)
Subject: Re: questions about tonights game
>A couple of questions about tonight's game. Why were there so many
>empty seats? The concourse level looked empty. Also, why did the
>sharks play Craigwell in overtime? While I like him, I would not
>consider him their strongest player. It seems that there is something
>that I am missing here. On another note, am I the only one who felt that
>the sharks were playing shorthanded most of the time?
It was a pre-season game, to a real fan this means nothing - others think
it's not real hockey.
I think the reason we saw so much of Craigwell last night is that he is
good in the faceoffs, winning most of them.
--
Michael
The truth is out there
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sun Oct 3 12:02 PDT 1993
From: Brian Bechtel
Subject: Weaver's preseason picks in the Murky-Snooze
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 93 12:00:29 PDT
These are Mike Weaver's choices as listed in the special section of the
Sunday San Jose Mercury-News.
Western
Pacific
1. Vancouver
2. Los Angeles
3. Calgary
4. San Jose
5. Edmonton
6. Anaheim
Central
1. Detroit
2. Toronto
3. Chicago
4. Winnipeg
5. St. Louis
6. Dallas
Eastern
Atlantic
1. New York Rangers
2. Philadelphia
3. New York Islanders
4. Washington
5. New Jersey
6. Tampa Bay
7. Florida
Northeast
1. Pittsburgh
2. Quebec
3. Montreal
4. Buffalo
5. Boston
6. Hartford
7. Ottawa
--Brian Bechtel email@hidden "Mike's opinion, not Apple's"
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sun Oct 3 21:49 PDT 1993
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 93 21:48:12 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: Arena 1st impressions
> And with such a state-of-the-art stadium, why are the isles still
so damn cramped??? People cannot walk by without the whole row
having to rise up,
That's the price for have such a good view from the nosebleed seats.
Consider the horizontal distance from row two-hundred-gazillion to the
boards on the rink. It's a lot shorter than in the Palace of Fine Cows.
If you add more knee room, that distance gets a lot longer and, along
with it, the angle of view gets worse.
> I don't think the cup holders are such a win
if they make it impossible for people to walk by. Why not make
them like the Century theatres with the cup holders in the armrest?
They are better than having to step around the beer cups on the floor.
I'll agree that the armrest variety would be better, though.
> The arena seats were not that comfortable, and I'm not an overweight
person - the seats on the train were more comfortable!
If you were in the foldout seats (such as the low-level goalie-view seats),
I could understand that belief. But I think you have the same kind of
seats I have, and mine is outstandingly comfortable.
> The inside temp was not that comfortable either...
Well, it could be a wee bit warmer, but it's okay as is.
> Maybe when winter comes the arena will cool down a bit, but
if this is supposed to be some state-of-the-art stadium, why in
the hell can't they get the AC to work well?
You mean you want it colder? Go visit the Golden Gate rink sometime.
Seriously, no group of 17,000-plus people will consider perfection to be
the same temperature.
> The scoreboard/video suspended in the center of the ice doesn't
have the best quality picture-
Definitely true. In fact, Thursday one of the screens in the northeast
array went completely out. I have a 45-degree angle of two arrays, and
neither was particularly good. From 209, with a straight-on view of the
northeast array, it still looked uneven and fuzzy.
> ..., I would seriously have to think if this is
> much better than the Cow Palace. Sure, the C.P. is a pit, but I swear
> ... you were closer to the ice ...
No way, Jose -- not with equivalent seats, anyhow.
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| Internet: email@hidden |
| "My Macintosh doesn't go out in the rain." |
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sun Oct 3 23:40 PDT 1993
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 93 15:32 GMT
From: "Andrew T. Kuligowski"
Subject: From Tampa: Manon, Gretzky, and a couple of SJ Thoughts
Folks on this list have asked me to provide updates on Manon Rheaume and Brent
Gretzky. A couple of other thoughts follow - skip past the next 2 paragraphs
to get to the SJ-specific content of this post.
Rheaume: Manon started against Boston Friday night to open the Thunderdome.
She did not play at an NHL (or even IHL level), allowing 3 of the first 4
shots she faced to go in. Two were of the "once in a while, they get through"
variety, while the other was a "anyone should have stopped it". Last year,
around 9,000 fans cheered her every move against St. Louis and booed when she
was pulled at the end of one. This year, 23,000 fans gave her derisive cheers
when she knocked aside icing attempts and cheered when Jablonski came in to
start the second. (Personally, I think the large crowd and first action in
awhile made her nervous - her performance towards the end of the period was
acceptable, and she did make some nice stops that earned real cheers.) She's
been sent to Knoxville (ECHL), where she's expected to get into 15-20 games.
(Toledo of the ECHL has also given a tryout to Erin Whitten - if she sticks,
we could see a game this year with 2 female netminders.)
Gretzky: Brent is on the verge of sticking with the club. It appears that
it'll depend on whether Tampa Bay signs Chris Gratton by Tuesday. If so, he
sticks with the big club, and Gretzky goes back to Atlanta (although I suspect
he'll be back before the end of the season, perhaps for good). If not,
however, Gratton goes back to Jr.s or Olympics for the year, and Brent is
rumored to have that roster spot. (He's had a VERY good training camp, and
has supposedly added a few pounds of upper body strength over the summer.)
BTW#1 - Brent has been playfully bugging Gratton about signing - or not signing.
BTW#2 - Once Brent plays in his first NHL Game, does this make the Gretzky
boys the highest-scoring brother act, or does Brent have to kick in a
few points to get past the Mahovolichs, Sutters, Hulls, etc ?
Daniel Shank: We had this guy in camp last year, and he did not impress (in
the passive sense of the word - it's not that he stunk up the place, its that
NONE of the fans I've talked with even remember him.) According to the year-
book, he has career 13 goals and 14 assists in 77 NHL games spread across
Detroit and Hartford. Is this the same Shank that has been getting the
praise on this list over the last couple of weeks?
Peter Ahola: Tampa Bay did not protect him for this afternoon's Waiver Draft.
Maybe if there's still a defensive roster spot for him, you can get him back.
(I suspect that someone will grab Danton Cole and/or Marc Bureau.) (I hope
someone picks up Pokey Reddick from Miami - he's earned another shot at the
NHL, and he couldn't beat out Fitzpatrick or Vanbiesbrouk.)
No other events down here that have a San Jose tie-in. Will keep y'all posted.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 03:52 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 11:49:44 BST
From: "Chris Lansdowne "
Subject: DIGEST
I will try the digest format. Please confirm that this is mailing the correct a
ddress.
Chris (the Brit)
* SERC, Polaris Ho., North Star Ave., Swindon SN2 1ET *
* Rm 1163, Phone 0793 411175 *
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 06:13 PDT 1993
From: Dave Hendrickson
Subject: Kroupa
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 9:10:29 EDT
Is Kroupa, who seems to be impressing everyone, an offensive or defensive type?
Thanks in advance.
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* Dave Hendrickson email@hidden *
* A Hockey Get-A-Lifer and Proud Of It *
* GO BROONS!!! Go Red Wings! Anyone but the Rangers. *
* GO UMASS-LOWELL!!! Go Maine!! Go BU! *
* Do I like too many teams? Hey, sue me. I just love hockey. *
* ------------------------------------------------------------ *
* Although I can't remember ever having an original thought, *
* and am certainly parroting someone who actually has a brain, *
* these opinions are mine, not Hewlett-Packard's. *
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 07:50 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 07:49:16 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: last night's game the arena
> Falloon wasn't clicking, but he did lay a nice hit in
> the offensive zone at the beginning.
Falloon also wasn't with the center he's been with all pre-season, which
might account for some of it. I think we put too much emphasis on a single
game. Let's see how he is a month from now.
The one that worries me a bit is Sandis. In the scrimmages and the games
I've seen, he's consistently looked somewhat hesitant in the corners. He's
clutching and grabbing, not hitting. Now I know he's primarily an offensive
Dman and so I don't expect a Mike Rathje hit-em abandon, but under
Constantine's system, I think he needs more than what he's doing. The REST
of his game looks okay, it just looks like he hasn't gotten over some
hesitancy about going in and getting physical. Something to watch
> - When that place is sold out, it is possible that the noise
> could rival Chicago stadium ... can't wait for Oct. 14.
Opening night is officially sold out. The second game (boston?) is very
close to sold out.
> - Pending the results of 10/14 (a sold out game), I think my
> worries about the traffic might be groundless.
Traffic won't be a problem. In fact, the biggest problem might be the folks
paying the most for on-site parking. As Laurie noted Saturday, the fact that
the cars are spread out over downtown in various lots instead of funnelling
in and out of two or three exits from a central mega-lot makes it
effectively impossible for there TO be serious traffic jams. I think the key
is to park on the downtown side of 87. I know that we parked in the lot just
to the downtown side of 87 again (take the offramp, take a right, make an
immediate right, $7), and including the walk from our seats and stops at the
bathroom on the way, we were on the freeway in 15 minutes.
> - The food/beverages seem more expensive than the Palace ($2.50
> for a "large" soda that was smaller similarly priced Palace
> wares). I won't be playing ... I'll be bringing my own.
Seem? Are.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 08:22 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 08:21:18 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Arena comments?
Hey, folks. If you've been to games at the arena, post your thoughts: good,
bad or ugly. What works, what doesn't, what's getting better (at the hawks
game, it was somewhat cooler, and we noticed they'd kicked up the
airconditioning in the middle of the game somewhat more -- and the sound
system has been tweaked to the tolerable range).
We'll collect this stuff through the first couple of regular season home
games, then package it up and ship it to the Sharks, so they can see what
the Real Fans think.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 08:54 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 08:52:13 PDT
From: email@hidden (Alan Hepburn)
Subject: Weekend activities
Well, I guess it's my turn to tell the world how we like the
Epicentre:
Saturday afternoon saw us in Redwood City where my squirt son
had his first preseason game (we lost big time to Belmont :-( )
and as soon as we could, we hit the road for the Epicentre. I
dropped the family off at the front door at about 6:15 and went
looking for parking. The on-site lot was only about 1/2 full
so I grudgingly took a ten spot out of my wallet and handed it
over. I found a parking space about 5 rows out from the entrance
and made my way into the building and up the stairs to Section 222
Row 16. The family was already in place and I found my seat. Thanks
to Kara, wherever she may be, for organising and coordinating the
ticket purchase!
The view from the "blimp" seats is outstanding! Although we are up
in the air, we are still close to the ice. The down side is trying
to see the replay screen on the scoreboard. It reminded me of trying
to watch a projection TV screen from the side. and one segment near
the middle of the screen was a lot darker than the rest. We also
could not decipher all the numbers on the scoreboard. The scoreboard
seemed real "busy" and it took a few glances before I was able to
determine what all the numbers were. I think they might want to make
the score field larger so it stands out more. On the top corners
there was a number "1" in green lights that we couldn't figure out...
anybody care to enlighten us? The air conditioning definitely needs to
be turned up a notch...it does get warm up near the rafters.
The game itself was a good warmup for the season...we thought the
Sharks played with an intensity seldom seen last year. The "fight"
at 5:00 into overtime was amusing!
Now for the gripes. At the open house we picked up some coupon books
published by the City and the Redevelopment Agancy. Inside there is a
coupon for Togo's, right down the street. $16 for a family of four for
sandwiches, medium drink, and chips. Since we hadn't had a chance to
eat for a while we figured, when the game ended we'll walk over to Togo's
and spend some money. Well, after a leisurely stroll down Santa Clara St
we arrive at Togo's to find out that they close at 4:00!!!! My wife was
livid! She is calling the City today to complain, and to let them know
that she probably won't be spending money downtown when businesses don't
stay open, especially on game nights. Even it you want to grab a sandwich
before a game, you'd better make sure it's at lunch time, since 4:00 is
REALLY before game time! We ended up driving home and eating at Carls Jr
in our own neighbourhood.
Sunday morning saw us standing in line bright and early for a morning
skate. We were among the first group to take to the ice and the ice
was in great shape. Nice and hard, with minimal scarring as found at
most public rinks. But by the end of our session, it was starting to
show wear and tear, and was starting to melt in about 3 places. I think
the volume of traffic it saw was a major factor; I haven't talked to any
players yet so I don't know if that will be typical for games as well.
With 200 people on the ice, it was full, but not really crowded.
It was nice to skate around and look up at the seats. Looking up, I
got the impression that it was a SMALL arena; it seems like the top
row of seats is right on top of you! The impression of closeness is
really nice, and imagining the seats filled with screaming fans made
me smile a lot. The players must take more than a little pride in seeing
those seats filled and hearing our cheers.
Overall, we're happy with the Arena, and our seats. The downtown
businesses need to adjust their hours to accomodate the traffic they
could get on game nights, and the Sharks need to play with intensity
and win some games (which it looks like they're ready to do) but I
think we've got an overall winner on our hands!
---
Alan Hepburn "If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens,
National Semiconductor how incapable must Man be of learning from experience.
Santa Clara, Ca
email@hidden George Bernard Shaw
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 08:59 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 08:58:51 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Ducks 3, Sharks 2 (OT)
Since it's not on the list, the Sharks lost to the Might Ducks in
Anaheim last night, 3-2. The winning goal was scored by Seminov with
5 seconds left in OT, whjile the Ducks were on a power play because of a
too many men on the ice penalty by the sharks (two games in a row. oops)
I don't have the details in front of me, but the Sharks shot count was way
down (two shots in the first period, BOTH goals, too!), while Flaherty
faced about 35 or so.
I'm assuming last night was probably the last look at a number of the
prospects, so it wasn't the primary team out on the ice (but I could
be wrong). And no offense to Flaherty, but it's also probably safe to assume
at least one of the goals would have been stopped by our main goalies.
More details if I get my hands on a paper.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 09:12 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 09:12:09 -0700
From: email@hidden (Michael Bothe)
Subject: Re: last night's game the arena
>
>> - The food/beverages seem more expensive than the Palace ($2.50
>> for a "large" soda that was smaller similarly priced Palace
>> wares). I won't be playing ... I'll be bringing my own.
>
>Seem? Are.
Good luck, there was a girl entering the arena in front of me Saturday with
a bottle of water. The bluecoats made her throw it in the trash before she
could enter. Don't get caught carrying a concealed soda :-)
--
Mike
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 09:15 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 09:13:37 PDT
From: email@hidden (Alan Hepburn)
Subject: Re: Arena comments?
Chuq says:
"Hey, folks. If you've been to games at the arena, post your thoughts: good,
bad or ugly. What works, what doesn't, what's getting better (at the hawks
game, it was somewhat cooler, and we noticed they'd kicked up the
airconditioning in the middle of the game somewhat more -- and the sound
system has been tweaked to the tolerable range).
"We'll collect this stuff through the first couple of regular season home
games, then package it up and ship it to the Sharks, so they can see what
the Real Fans think."
Well, I just submitted my review, for what it's worth. As a thought,
how about reviewing the whole experience, including dealing with the
downtown area? The City would probably appreciate all comments on how
to improve their part of the package...
---
Alan Hepburn "If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens,
National Semiconductor how incapable must Man be of learning from experience.
Santa Clara, Ca
email@hidden George Bernard Shaw
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 09:55 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 93 09:34:57 EST
From: "White, Todd"
Encoding: 1143 Text
Subject: Re: Arena comments?
My first impression was one of awe. I couldn't wait to see my new seats. (I
had them changed from the illustrious "rail" view upstairs.) When I sat down,
(row 18) I couldn't believe how close to the ice I was. Wow! Then it hit
me...that's why I have no leg room. Who cares? I can live with standing up to
sit that close.
I have now eaten two meals there, and both have sucked. The first, was a
polish dog. Cold bun, tough dog, and flat coke. Ick. The second, was a
garlic chicken sandwich. Not nearly as much flavor as I would have expected...
It was very messy, and at a sporting event, not a wise decision. I am suprised
they serve the healthy equivalent of a sloppy joe at the Arena. Better coke,
though. It is early, so I plan on some improvement.
The ushers were VERY nice, but kind of gooey sweet, too. It's like the
management told them to kiss some serious butt. Better than the manhandling
treatment at the Moo Hut.
Overall, I would rate the Arena about 84 on Chuq's scale, but expect to hit 90-
95 if the fans get a clue (walking during play), and the food improves.
-Whitey
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 10:13 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 10:11:19 +0800
From: email@hidden (Mike Eisler)
Subject: Re: questions about tonights game
> From: email@hidden (Michael Bothe)
> Subject: Re: questions about tonights game
>
> >A couple of questions about tonight's game. Why were there so many
> >empty seats? The concourse level looked empty.
> It was a pre-season game, to a real fan this means nothing - others think
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Intepreted literally, yes, astute fans do consider pre-season games to
be nothing ... given a 41 game home schedule, and an average 66.7%
chance of the team making the playoffs. I suspect that's not what you
meant, and thus imply that "real fans" have unlimited budgets and can
afford to attend as many meaningless games as the owners can schedule
when they haven't managed to book the circus or the latest faddish pop
singer. In the unlikely event that the Sharks do make the playoffs, us
non-fans who took a pass on Saturday's game will have a few more dollars
to pay for playoff games.
> it's not real hockey.
No you're right, pre-season games aren't playoff hockey.
-mre
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 10:17 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 10:15:50 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Arena comments?
>Then it hit me...that's why I have no leg room. Who cares? I can
>live with standing up to sit that close.
A beast the size of the arena is a tradeoff. The upper levels are steep. The
alternative is looking through the head of the person in front of you. The
aisles between rows are a bit narrow. The alternative is forcing GAK and the
209ers to use the space shuttle to get to their seats. A big arena like San
Jose has to try to compromise to minimize hassles and mazimize the
positives. You're not going to get everything, because of this thing called
physics. (having sat in the rows yy in the Fabulous Forum, I can say life
could be worse)
>I have now eaten two meals there, and both have sucked. The first, was a
>polish dog. Cold bun, tough dog, and flat coke. Ick. The second, was a
>garlic chicken sandwich. Not nearly as much flavor as I would have expected...
We've eaten there twice. The chicken was somewhat dry and not as tasteless.
The sesame chicken salad passed the test fairly positively. Maybe a little
small. But the lettuce was good, the chicken good, dressing pungent and
spicy.
The Italian Sausage was very good. Chewy but not gristly. Spicy but not hot.
Not soggy. Decent bun. Good flavor.
The ice cream cones were tiny. Kiddy cone time. Phht. (on the high margin
items, like soft drinks and ice cream and the like, doing these tiny
servings is irritating as all get out to me...).
Overall, I'm rating the food a C- on the arena scale. (where the old
Candlestick was a D to D-, the new is a B, and the San jose Muni BBQ is an
A). And it's costly, but concessions is where teams make their money, and
that's an aspect of how the arena gets paid for.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 10:27 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 10:25:42 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: Weekend activities
> could not decipher all the numbers on the scoreboard... On the top corners
> there was a number "1" in green lights that we couldn't figure out...
> anybody care to enlighten us?
Both are labelled "TOL", as I recall. Thursday, our section (117) took
a lot of guesses about that, and finally decided that it must be for
"time-outs left." That's important in basketball, I'm told, but I think
most hockey fans could keep track of it without the scoreboard.
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| Internet: email@hidden |
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 10:28 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 10:23:51 +0800
From: email@hidden (Mike Eisler)
Subject: Re: Weekend activities
> could not decipher all the numbers on the scoreboard. The scoreboard
> seemed real "busy" and it took a few glances before I was able to
> determine what all the numbers were. I think they might want to make
> the score field larger so it stands out more. On the top corners
> there was a number "1" in green lights that we couldn't figure out...
> anybody care to enlighten us? The air conditioning definitely needs to
> be turned up a notch...it does get warm up near the rafters.
The "1" was beside a label: "T.O.L." - Time Outs Left. Why this
is necessary in hockey I don't know but suspect one of two things:
1. the T.O.L. field is used heavily for basketball games
2. The Sharks are anticipating that Mr. Bettman will institute
more than one timeout in hockey.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 10:46 PDT 1993
Date: 4 Oct 93 10:39:00 PST
From: "MOSHE PREIL (22117)"
Subject: THE LITTLE GREEN #1
Alan asked about the little green number 1 in the upper left
side of the scoreboard. (There's also one on the upper right). The
top row of 209 spent a few minutes on this critical subject Thursday
night, and we noticed it was labelled "TOL". We decided that stands
for "Time outs left". Probably more important when the arena gets used
for basketball.
Overall, the arena is great. We have the highest row in 209,
and the view is still great. The only glitch is that the angle is so
steep, when people in front of you lean forward, they block the view.
It's completely different than the Moo Dome, where you lost the view when
people stood up. I guess it will take a while for folks to learn the
etiquette of mass seating in a steeply sloped arena.
It was a bit too warm, the speakers were definitely too loud,
and I don't understand the point of the fancy scoreboard; the TV
picture is far too dim. But who needs TV when the real action looks so
good! Gordon Biersch may be expensive, but look at it this way; you
can get two great beers for the price of parking a single car....
The guys at the GB stand need to learn how to pour many beers QUICKLY.
You don't wait for each customer to order, then start pouring. You just
keep filling cups as fast as you can. And by the way; try not to run
out of cups during the intermissions- that's really bush league (While
we waited for them to find more cups, a bunch of us in the beer line
offered them two bucks to let us hold our heads under the taps. Why
didn't they think that would be a good idea). Overall, this beats the
Cow Palace (and most other sports facilities) hands down.
One last note: kudos to Cal Train for a really clever promotion,
giving free rides to and from the first two games. A lot of us who
would never have thought if using Cal Train gave it a shot. It is
somewhat expensive ($2.25 one way from Mountain View), but cheaper
than parking. If you can car pool, driving is probably better, but for
games when I go by myself I will probably use CT now. The wait for the
last train to start was annoying, but they gave a very good explanation
on the PA (televised games will run longer), and were very corteous and
friendly. Whoever thought this one up deserves a lot of credit....
IT'S HOCKEY SEASON!!! Moshe
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 10:49 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Rick Ryder)
Subject: Possible BPotG Event for WED Game (Edmonton)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 10:54:52 -0700 (PDT)
Folks,
I'll set up a BrewPub on the Green event on Wednesday, 7:30pm (in Fremont)
for the Sharks vs. Oilers if there is enough interest. Are you interested?
If not, I'm likely to watch at home (near BPotG) - anyone is invited.
(27" with surround stereo - and, Rusanowsky on play by play!). We could
even do a barbecue!
Matter of fact, state your preference!
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 10:50 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 10:48:01 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: FYI...
This comes off the mighty duck list. I had a couple of requests for
the IHL schedules (I'm goig to try to type in the Las Vegas Thunder stuff
tonight).
>From email@hidden Fri Oct 1 17:15:21 1993
Date: 01 Oct 1993 17:07:24 -0800 (PST)
From: The Puck Stopper
Subject: 1993-94 Phoenix Roadrunners & San Diego Gulls (IHL) Schedules
1993-94 IHL Schedule for the Phoenix Roadrunners and San Diego Gulls
Note:
-----
The Roadrunners are the primary affiliate for the LA Kings
The Gulls are the primary affiliate for the Anaheim Mighty Ducks
October:
06 Phoenix vs Salt Lake
08 Phoenix vs San Diego
09 Phoenix @ San Diego
15 Phoenix @ Milwaukee
16 Phoenix @ Milwaukee
San Diego vs Atlanta
20 Phoenix @ Kansas City
21 San Diego Salt Lake
22 Phoenix @ Atlanta
San Diego vs Fort Wayne
23 Phoenix @ Atlanta
26 San Diego vs Las Vegas
27 Phoenix @ Kansas City
San Diego @ Las Vegas
29 Phoenix @ Fort Wayne
San Diego @ Atlanta
30 Phoenix @ Fort Wayne
San Diego @ Atlanta
November:
02 San Diego @ Kansas City
03 Phoenix @ Salt Lake
05 Phoenix vs Kansas City
San Diego @ Indianapolis
06 Phoenix vs Kansas City
San Diego @ Atlanta
07 San Diego @ Atlanta
10 Phoenix @ San Diego
11 Phoenix vs Atlanta
12 Phoenix vs Atlanta
13 San Diego vs Kansas City
15 San Diego vs Kansas City
16 Phoenix vs Kansas City
19 Phoenix @ Las Vegas
San Diego vs Atlanta
20 Phoenix vs Atlanta
San Diego vs Atlanta
23 Phoenix @ Salt Lake
24 San Diego @ Indianapolis
25 Phoenix vs Salt Lake
26 Phoenix @ Las Vegas
San Diego @ Kalamazoo
27 San Diego @ Kalamazoo
December:
02 Phoenix vs Indianapolis
03 Phoenix vs Indianapolis
04 San Diego vs Indianapolis
07 Phoenix vs Fort Wayne
San Diego vs Indianapolis
09 Phoenix vs Fort Wayne
10 Phoenix @ San Diego
11 Phoenix vs San Diego
15 San Diego vs Milwaukee
17 San Diego vs Milwaukee
18 Phoenix vs Las Vegas
San Diego @ Salt Lake
19 San Diego @ Las Vegas
20 Phoenix @ Salt Lake
22 San Diego @ Las Vegas
26 Phoenix @ Milwaukee
San Diego vs Las Vegas
28 Phoenix @ Atlanta
San Diego vs Milwaukee
29 Phoenix @ Atlanta
30 San Diego @ Salt Lake
31 Phoenix @ Kansas City
San Diego @ Salt Lake
January:
02 Phoenix @ Las Vegas
San Diego vs Milwaukee
05 San Diego @ Kansas City
07 Phoenix vs Milwaukee
San Diego vs Kalamazoo
08 Phoenix vs Milwaukee
San Diego vs Kalamazoo
11 Phoenix @ San Diego
12 San Diego @ Kansas City
14 Phoenix @ Las Vegas
San Diego @ Cincinnati
15 Phoenix vs Las Vegas
San Diego @ Cincinnati
16 San Diego @ Milwaukee
18 Phoenix vs Salt Lake
19 San Diego @ Kansas City
20 Phoenix @ Salt Lake
21 Phoenix vs Atlanta
San Diego vs Kansas City
22 Phoenix vs Atlanta
San Diego vs Kansas City
23 San Diego @ Las Vegas
28 Phoenix vs San Diego
29 Phoenix vs San Diego
February:
01 Phoenix @ Cleveland
02 San Diego @ Salt Lake
04 Phoenix @ Cleveland
San Diego @ Salt Lake
05 Phoenix @ Cincinnati
San Diego vs Salt Lake
06 Phoenix @ Cincinnati
08 Phoenix vs San Diego
10 Phoenix @ San Diego
11 Phoenix vs Kalamazoo
12 Phoenix vs Kalamazoo
San Diego vs Central Red Army
15 Phoenix vs Central Red Army
San Diego @ Milwaukee
16 San Diego @ Kalamazoo
17 Phoenix vs Las Vegas
18 Phoenix @ Las Vegas
San Diego @ Fort Wayne
19 Phoenix vs Salt Lake
San Diego @ Peoria
20 San Diego @ Peoria
24 Phoenix vs Las Vegas
25 San Diego vs Atlanta
26 Phoenix vs Salt Lake
San Diego vs Atlanta
27 Phoenix vs Milwaukee
March:
01 Phoenix @ Salt Lake
02 Phoenix vs Milwaukee
02 San Diego vs Cincinnati
03 San Diego vs Fort Wayne
04 Phoenix @ Indianapolis
05 Phoenix @ Indianapolis
06 Phoenix @ Kalamazoo
San Diego vs Cincinnati
10 Phoenix @ Peoria
11 Phoenix @ Peoria
San Diego vs Cleveland
12 Phoenix @ Kalamazoo
San Diego vs Cleveland
16 San Diego vs Las Vegas
17 Phoenix @ Kansas City
18 Phoenix vs Cleveland
18 San Diego @ Las vegas
19 Phoenix vs Cleveland
San Diego vs Las Vegas
21 San Diego vs Salt Lake
23 San Diego vs Salt Lake
24 Phoenix vs Cincinnati
25 Phoenix vs Cincinnati
San Diego @ Cleveland
26 San Diego @ Cleveland
27 Phoenix vs Salt Lake
San Diego @ Fort Wayne
April:
01 Phoenix @ San Diego
02 Phoenix @ San Diego
06 San Diego @ Salt Lake
07 Phoenix vs Peoria
08 Phoenix vs Peoria
09 San Diego vs Peoria
10 Phoenix vs San Diego
12 San Diego vs Peoria
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 10:52 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 10:50:13 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: Ducks 3, Sharks 2 (OT)
> Since it's not on the list, the Sharks lost to the Might Ducks in
> Anaheim last night, 3-2. The winning goal was scored by Seminov with
> 5 seconds left in OT, whjile the Ducks were on a power play because of a
> too many men on the ice penalty by the sharks (two games in a row. oops)
>
> I don't have the details in front of me, but the Sharks shot count was way
> down (two shots in the first period, BOTH goals, too!), while Flaherty
> faced about 35 or so.
San Jose 2 0 0 0 -- 2
Anaheim 0 2 0 1 -- 3
First Period -- 1, San Jose, Bruce, 1:45.
2, San Jose, Cronin (Odgers), 3:08.
Second Period -- 3, Anaheim, Ewen (Hill, Skalde), 11:10.
4, Anaheim, Corkum (Williams, Ferner), 18:44.
Third Perod -- None.
Overtime -- 5, Anaheim, Semenov (Hill), 4:57 (pp).
Shots on goal -- San Jose 2 5 4 2 -- 13
Anaheim 10 14 10 3 -- 37
Goalies -- San Jose, Flaherty; Anaheim, Tugnutt, Hebert.
Attendance -- 14,060.
Now, according to these figures (from the M-N), SJ got two goals on two
shots in the first period. Their *biggest* shot total in any period was 5.
Even so, they got within three seconds of getting a tie.
Also according to the M-N: Anaheim gave up only 14 goals in five preseason
games.
For the first goal, David Bruce picked up a loose puck and jammed a
five-footer between the pads of Ducks starting goalie Ron Tugnutt....
Just 1:23 later, Shawn Cronin scored on a waraparound backhander.
Todd Ewen got the Ducks within one with a 35-foot slap shot that eluded
Flaherty. Bob Corkum tied the game on a 20-foot wrist shot.
The Sharks, who have 38 players still in camp, will make a dozen or so
cuts today.
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| Internet: email@hidden |
| "My Macintosh doesn't go out in the rain." |
| Epicenter 117/17/11-12 |
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 11:07 PDT 1993
From: "Jeffrey T. Johnson"
Subject: Re: Arena comments?
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 11:05:42 PDT
> Hey, folks. If you've been to games at the arena, post your thoughts: good,
> bad or ugly. What works, what doesn't, what's getting better (at the hawks
> game, it was somewhat cooler, and we noticed they'd kicked up the
> airconditioning in the middle of the game somewhat more -- and the sound
> system has been tweaked to the tolerable range).
>
> We'll collect this stuff through the first couple of regular season home
> games, then package it up and ship it to the Sharks, so they can see what
> the Real Fans think.
After sitting in my seats Thursday and different seats on Saturday, I have
only one thing to say about those cup holders.. I'm glad the row that my
season tickets are on *doesn't* have them. There just isn't enough room
between rows to walk, and those cup holders take part of the room that is
available. I tripped over one on Saturday, and found myself in the next
row.
As far as the railings are concerned, they don't seem to obstruct my vision
while the game is going on -- I guess the eyes/brain manage to look around
them and block them out. The real problem is that they invite standing at
the rail to watch the game, and the eyes/brain can't overlook a human body.
One last comment regarding the Season Ticket Holder Handbook. I received my
credentials last Friday, so I did a cursory read of the Handbook. One of the
things I noticed was that the handbook stated that there were two ATMs in the
Arena. Great! So on Staurday I head down to the Arena with minimal cash in
pocket since I knew there were ATMs there. Bzzzzzzztt! Wrong. No ATMs. I
asked Rich Muschell about this, and he said that everything in the Handbook
describes how things are *going to be* and not necessarily *how they are*.
So take everything you read in the handbook with a grain of salt.
And I still haven't received my pre-payment gift, but I've got the phone number
of Rich's assistant, so we'll see what happens.
/jeff
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 11:11 PDT 1993
From: "Jeffrey T. Johnson"
Subject: Re: Weekend activities
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 11:09:27 PDT
> the score field larger so it stands out more. On the top corners
> there was a number "1" in green lights that we couldn't figure out...
> anybody care to enlighten us?
Would you believe "time outs left (the caption is TOL)"
/jeff
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 11:12 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 11:08:27 PDT
From: email@hidden (Rob Eccles)
Subject: Re: Weekend activities
> We also
> could not decipher all the numbers on the scoreboard. The scoreboard
> seemed real "busy" and it took a few glances before I was able to
> determine what all the numbers were. I think they might want to make
> the score field larger so it stands out more. On the top corners
> there was a number "1" in green lights that we couldn't figure out...
> anybody care to enlighten us?
> The air conditioning definitely needs to
> be turned up a notch...it does get warm up near the rafters.
At the Arena Ice Skate yesterday, it was surprisingly warm on the ice.
I am used to FREEZING temperatures when I skate, but it was in the
70's (F) I would say.
> Now for the gripes. At the open house we picked up some coupon books
> published by the City and the Redevelopment Agancy. Inside there is a
> coupon for Togo's, right down the street. $16 for a family of four for
> sandwiches, medium drink, and chips. Since we hadn't had a chance to
> eat for a while we figured, when the game ended we'll walk over to Togo's
> and spend some money. Well, after a leisurely stroll down Santa Clara St
> we arrive at Togo's to find out that they close at 4:00!!!! My wife was
> livid! She is calling the City today to complain, and to let them know
> that she probably won't be spending money downtown when businesses don't
> stay open, especially on game nights. Even it you want to grab a sandwich
> before a game, you'd better make sure it's at lunch time, since 4:00 is
> REALLY before game time! We ended up driving home and eating at Carls Jr
> in our own neighbourhood.
Well, I walked by there on Thursday night before the game. They were open
and doing good business. Maybe someone should send them a schedule...
I would suggest calling Togo's instead of (or perhaps in addition to)
the RDA. Let 'em know they're missing good business. I suspect they
don't get much on Saturdays when there is no game.
> Sunday morning saw us standing in line bright and early for a morning
> skate. We were among the first group to take to the ice and the ice
> was in great shape. Nice and hard, with minimal scarring as found at
> most public rinks. But by the end of our session, it was starting to
> show wear and tear, and was starting to melt in about 3 places. I think
> the volume of traffic it saw was a major factor; I haven't talked to any
> players yet so I don't know if that will be typical for games as well.
> With 200 people on the ice, it was full, but not really crowded.
> It was nice to skate around and look up at the seats. Looking up, I
> got the impression that it was a SMALL arena; it seems like the top
> row of seats is right on top of you! The impression of closeness is
> really nice, and imagining the seats filled with screaming fans made
> me smile a lot. The players must take more than a little pride in seeing
> those seats filled and hearing our cheers.
Hey, I was at that first session, too! It was a unique opportunity
that I would never miss. I had always wanted to try the ice at the
Bovine Emporium, but this was much better. It was pretty crowded for
the first skate: 250 people. I never got a chance to really skate
fast. But I had a great time. My daughter was really excited to see
her Dad skating on the Shark's ice!
Rob
203/7/2
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 11:17 PDT 1993
From: "Jeffrey T. Johnson"
Subject: Re: last night's game the arena
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 11:15:39 PDT
>
> >
> >> - The food/beverages seem more expensive than the Palace ($2.50
> >> for a "large" soda that was smaller similarly priced Palace
> >> wares). I won't be playing ... I'll be bringing my own.
> >
> >Seem? Are.
>
> Good luck, there was a girl entering the arena in front of me Saturday with
> a bottle of water. The bluecoats made her throw it in the trash before she
> could enter. Don't get caught carrying a concealed soda :-)
Hmm, I made it in with a sports bottle full of Sam Adams. They looked in my
bag, asked if I was carrying any cans or bottles, I replied "no" and that
was it. I also had bags of peanuts and sunflower seeds in same bag. So I
guess that nay liquid that you're going to transport into the Arena should
be contained in a plastic sports bottle.
(BTW Chuq, you don't keed to forward *this* to the Sharks ;-)
/jeff
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 11:22 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 11:20:56 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: last night's game the arena
>> Good luck, there was a girl entering the arena in front of me Saturday with
>> a bottle of water. The bluecoats made her throw it in the trash before she
>> could enter. Don't get caught carrying a concealed soda :-)
>Hmm, I made it in with a sports bottle full of Sam Adams. They looked in my
>bag, asked if I was carrying any cans or bottles, I replied "no" and that
>was it.
Note, of course, that she was carrying a bottle. Plastic, maybe, but a
bottle. A big worry is idiots heaving bottles at players (or other fans, or
referees, or whatever) ahd hurting them. A bottle of Evian could cause
serious injury.
I'm willing to bet that they'll allow sports bottles because that's
something that people aren't likely to leave behind or throw. (as likely?)
.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 12:14 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 12:13:19 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: the new scoreboard...
It's Time Outs Left, and as long as they have an empty space on the
scoreboard not used for anything else, why not?
Since the scoreboard is used or more than just hockey, they need that.
anyone else think the scoreboard would be better rotated 45 degrees,
so the scores are straight to the seats and the TVs to the angles?
Frankly, the board is the only real disappointment in the palce. Nothing
fancy, the visibility to the replays is somewhat iffy, the multi-screen
setup is distracting (especially since they aren't tuned ot each other
yet), and there's (a) no distcintive horn, and (b) no special stuff
going down when the Sharks score. No offense to Dieter, who I like, but
when you hear the horn in Hartford, or see the exploding sideboards in
Washington -- if nothing else, it's gotta drive the opposing goalie crazy.
We need more than rotating red lights. Maybe the sound of a 747 landing
on top of the arena? That'd be fitting. (of course, it could be worse.
We don't get the dancing decoys, either...)
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 12:42 PDT 1993
Date: 4 Oct 1993 12:50:23 -0800
From: "Dave Comstock"
Subject: Re: Arena 1st impressions
Reply to: RE>>Arena 1st impressions
Ed Rush sez:
>>And with such a state-of-the-art stadium, why are the isles still so
>>damn cramped???...The arena seats were not that comfortable, and I'm
>>not an overweight person - the seats on the train were more
>>comfortable!
>
>If you were in the foldout seats (such as the low-level goalie-view
>seats), I could understand that belief. But I think you have the same kind
>of seats I have, and mine is outstandingly comfortable.
I snuck down from the rafters and sat in my "real" seat for the first time
during the third period of Saturday's game. Although the standard seats are
extremely comfortable (IMHO) and the riser seats are not, the legroom in the
risers is noticeably better than in the regular seats.
Given the choice between more comfy seats and more legroom, I'd have have a
tough decision because I have long legs. But the decision was made for me, and
the view from my seats was so wonderful that the lack of padding will not
affect my enjoyment of the game!
Dave Comstock
120/7/7-10
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 13:29 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Bruce McKenzie)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 13:19:51 -0700
Subject: Re: last night's game the arena
> >Hmm, I made it in with a sports bottle full of Sam Adams. They looked in my
> >bag, asked if I was carrying any cans or bottles, I replied "no" and that
> >was it.
>
> Note, of course, that she was carrying a bottle. Plastic, maybe, but a
> bottle. A big worry is idiots heaving bottles at players (or other fans, or
> referees, or whatever) ahd hurting them. A bottle of Evian could cause
> serious injury.
>
> I'm willing to bet that they'll allow sports bottles because that's
> something that people aren't likely to leave behind or throw. (as likely?)
Don't bet on it. Jeff did not say if they actually saw the sports bottle. IMO they will not let sports
bottles in (if they think about it). What's next? Banning juice boxes and foil bags?
Criminal that I am, I carry a can or two in the sleeve of my jacket. I don't want to take the risk of
breaking a bottle.
I can't remember if the CP staff (bull-tenders?) would confiscate things that they saw in the
stands. Does anyone have experience here? I do know that they booted out two guys who started
smoking. It wasn't clear to me that the guys were being obstreperous; they just weren't thinking.
---
Bruce McKenzie (email@hidden, NeXTMail OK)
"So..happy..ironing..for..my..friend..Stimpy!"
PDH Inc. 2635 N. First St. Ste 224, San Jose, CA 95134
voice: 408/428-9596, fax: 408/428-9599
Epicenter: Section 127, Row 22, Seats 13-14
* Opinions expressed are those of my own twisted mind, not my employer's *
.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 13:38 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 13:37:27 PDT
From: Laurie Sefton
Subject: Re: last night's game the arena
Well, Saturday night was the first time I was ever asked how big my
lenses were. Apparently they don't want fast telephoto lenses used by
non-professionals (read: used by people that the Sharks can't keep track
of--those images are worth money). I have a lens that is probably longer
than they would care for me to have, but it's also quite a bit slower
than what the pros use. I used it during the second period, and no one said
boo.
Laurie
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 13:43 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Bruce McKenzie)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 13:33:27 -0700
Subject: Ice condition? Any problems?
I don't usually sit "low" (row 2) but I did for last Thursday's game. When you sit that low, you can
see the ice "plane" much better. (or at least more obliquely)
I was horrified at how many gouges and scratches were left after 1-2 Zamboni passes. Also, the
water seemed to pool on the ice, rather than freezing quickly. I would have expected a much
smoother surface.
Am I losing it?
Is this a problem or is it normal?
Is the ice at the Arena soft?
---
Bruce McKenzie (email@hidden, NeXTMail OK)
"So..happy..ironing..for..my..friend..Stimpy!"
PDH Inc. 2635 N. First St. Ste 224, San Jose, CA 95134
voice: 408/428-9596, fax: 408/428-9599
Epicenter: Section 127, Row 22, Seats 13-14
* Opinions expressed are those of my own twisted mind, not my employer's *
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 13:47 PDT 1993
Date: 4 Oct 1993 13:54:28 -0800
From: "Dave Comstock"
Subject: Buschan & Larionov's Injuri
Reply to: Buschan & Larionov's Injuries
Chuq sez:
>Well, the injury list now has Andrei Buschan out with a broken jaw, so
>that probably explains Colman's promotion -- to fill out the defensive
>corps for practices and the pre-season, until he goes back to K.C.
Actually, as I mentioned in my long training camp message, Buschan's jaw was
broken during Chuck Grillo's Brainerd, Minnesota, training camp this summer.
He got into a fight with Dody Wood, and his jaw got the worst of it. The
interesting thing to me is that Buschan's penalty minute total last season was
very low (22 minutes, as I recall), so I don't know what possessed him to mix
it up with someone with Wood's reputation. Maybe he didn't know who he was
fighting (or maybe he saw how poorly Dody fought last season ;-).
According to the Murky News a couple of days ago (it may have been the upcoming
game box for the Blackhawks game), Larionov's separated shoulder occured in the
first period of the Islanders game. It was apparently not that severe: as I
recall, the article said he would be out 7-10 days.
Dave Comstock
120/7/7-10
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 13:56 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 13:55:44 -0700
From: email@hidden (Peter Jacobs)
Subject: Arena comment
One thing I found particularly annoying, at least sitting in the upper deck,
were those mini-message boards all around the arena which would periodically
flash something. They constantly were catching my eye, and I found it
rather distracting.
Peter J.
Section 210
Row 15, Seats 11-13
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 14:00 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 13:59:26 -0700
From: email@hidden (Peter Jacobs)
Subject: Weekend activities
Alan,
I believe that field (with the 1) was for time-outs remaining, which, as we
all know, is how many you get per game.
PJ
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 14:06 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 14:04:13 PDT
From: email@hidden (Alan Hepburn)
Subject: Re: Weekend activities
Thanks to all who answered my query concerning the enigmatic
numbers in the top corners of the scoreboard...it seems to be
the general consensus that they refer to timeouts remaining.
I guess the y were thinking ahead and can now approach the
Warriors and show them that we do indeed have a facility worthy
of their game :-) Of course they'll have to schedule AROUND
the important sport!
---
Alan Hepburn "If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens,
National Semiconductor how incapable must Man be of learning from experience.
Santa Clara, Ca
email@hidden George Bernard Shaw
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 14:07 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 14:05:30 -0800
From: email@hidden (Michael E. Larson)
Subject: Re: Arena comment
>One thing I found particularly annoying, at least sitting in the upper deck,
>were those mini-message boards all around the arena which would periodically
>flash something. They constantly were catching my eye, and I found it
>rather distracting.
Like the one that says...
"Zamboni"
pause...
"New Ice"
I guess they didn't sell enough advertising yet...
-Larson
Michael E. Larson email@hidden
Apple Computer, Inc. AppleLink: LARSON
20525 Mariani Ave. MS 75-6H
Cupertino, CA 95014 (408) 862-4800
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 14:09 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 14:07:02 -0700
From: Richard Stueven
Subject: Re: Ducks 3, Sharks 2 (OT)
An interesting (and heartening!) SharkStat:
Goals for: 23
Goals against: 21
...and they haven't been blown out yet!
have fun
gak
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 14:12 PDT 1993
Date: 04 Oct 93 17:02:39 EDT
From: Richard Thompson
Subject: Re. Arena Comments
Let me start by saying I love the new arena! (And the way the "new" Sharks have
been playing!)
Rather than saying I have complaints, here are a couple of things I would like
to see improved:
1. The big screen is terrible compared to others that I have seen! It is dim
and where the small individual monitors butt against each other to make the one
big overall picture the objects become disjointed as they move from one screen
to the other, and they seem to loose focus.
2. The replays could use some work. It would help if they had a camera at each
end. The replay would then be shown from the camera behind the goal that has
just been scored on. It would also be nice to see an overhead view of the goal!
3. The ushers and waiters need to be told to move out of the isles as soon as
possible. There were several instances in both the Islanders and Blackhawks
games where a waiter finished serving someone and just stood there blocking the
view.
4. It was quite apparent to me at the two pre-season games that there were a
lot of people there who knew nothing of hockey etiquette. They would just get
up and walk around during play. There are more than enough stoppages in hockey
for people to wait until play stops before they get up and move around or
return to their seat. Perhaps the Sharks could hand out a flier explaining the
basic rules of hockey etiquette so that other fans are not disturbed.
Another small point for those who complained about the parking before they even
tried it. I think it works great! If you don't want to spend $10 or, for that
matter $7, just park downtown like I do and take the easy 10 minute walk.
Thursday I paid $3 and on Saturday only $1. Getting onto Hwy280 took no more
than 5 minutes!
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 14:13 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 13:45:38 PDT
From: email@hidden (Rob Eccles)
Subject: Re: Arena comments?
Jeff Johnson (203 row 8) writes:
> After sitting in my seats Thursday and different seats on Saturday, I have
> only one thing to say about those cup holders.. I'm glad the row that my
> season tickets are on *doesn't* have them. There just isn't enough room
> between rows to walk, and those cup holders take part of the room that is
> available. I tripped over one on Saturday, and found myself in the next row.
^^^^^^^^
Uh ohh...maybe we should get some of those Shark hard hats.
Rob Eccles
203/7/2
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 14:45 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Bruce McKenzie)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 14:35:28 -0700
Subject: Re: the new scoreboard...
> From: Chuq Von Rospach
>
> anyone else think the scoreboard would be better rotated 45 degrees,
> so the scores are straight to the seats and the TVs to the angles?
Hey! Let's rotate the whole thing! Then noone can be guaranteed of a good view!
I agree. Putting the scores on the lopped-off corners is clever, since they are still readable from
stepp angles. However, the TV is useless. I would rather have seen a good computerized display
that can do low-res TV. Am I dreaming?
In general, I think that announcements/racing dots/exploding graphics are more useful/interesting
than TV replays. I've never seen replays before, so I'm not sure. (I'm just an Unfrozen Caveman
Hockey Fan)
I tend to look across before looking up, and it was hard to find the scoreboards in the background
"noise". I guess I'll retrain my neck.
> when you hear the horn in Hartford, or see the exploding sideboards in
> Washington -- if nothing else, it's gotta drive the opposing goalie crazy.
I think that I saw these in LA: the boards are screens! I'm sure that the marketing weenies at
Shark-central are licking their lips in anticipation of getting them here. Just think of the revenues!
Did anyone else notice the lack of sideboard and on-ice ads? Where are they? Is management
trying to make everyone's first impression be "non-commercial"?
Howzabout something dangling from the scoreboard (as in the "Fabulous" Forum)? C'mon gang!
Let's get commercial!
---
Bruce McKenzie (email@hidden, NeXTMail OK)
"So..happy..ironing..for..my..friend..Stimpy!"
PDH Inc. 2635 N. First St. Ste 224, San Jose, CA 95134
voice: 408/428-9596, fax: 408/428-9599
Epicenter: Section 127, Row 22, Seats 13-14
* Opinions expressed are those of my own twisted mind, not my employer's *
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 15:09 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Mark Spiegel)
Subject: Re: last night's game the arena
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 15:07:34 PDT
Mike writes:
>
> Falloon wasn't clicking, but he did lay a nice hit in
> the offensive zone at the beginning. I'm getting a
> little anxious about his development.
Ditto. I can still predict his moves regularly
when he moves down a wing with the puck. The
cross-ice moves are new/better. I hope Pat's not
picking the moves he will make and then following
through with them without taking the defenders
changing position into account.
>
> - Somebody complained about the people entering and leaving seats
> - The railings in the 200 level. I didn't really understand all
I have got to say that I am EXTREMELY PLEASED
with my seats. First row of $24s after the
uppper rim $38s. Middle of the row, no obstructing
railings. High enough to clearly see play develop,
but close enough to read the jersey names easily.
Unfortunately some other people I know don't have
it as good . . .railings block part of view.
> into the concourse 3 feet. Probably about $1million to change
^^^^^^^^^
having personally
cut and jackhammered
reinforced concrete
it'll cost at least
this per entrance.
> it, but the Sharks would be able to replace a bunch of
> $28 seats with new $38 rim seats.
>
> - The Go Man was harder to hear (and I'm about 20 feet
> closer to virtual 107 this year) ... I think you are
> going to have to resort to power gak.
>
or TURBO GAK, or maybe gak could annoint additional
go-people with the task in other partsof the arena.
mark
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 15:26 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Mark Spiegel)
Subject: Re: Sharks 3, Hawks 3
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 15:23:36 PDT
>
>
> San Jose tied the Hawks today, holding them (AND referee Brian
> Trottier) off for a 3-3 score. This included a two-man advantage for
> about a minute to the Blackhawks after the Sharks got called for too
> many men (a proper call) and for some phantom oopsie in the crease only
> Trottier saw a little bit later (insert standard referee rhetoric here.
> Waht drove me crazy was not bad calls per se, but how inconsistent he
> was. Blackhawks were getting away with literal muggings during the
> third period right in front of him, and then he calls a ticky-tack
> during a powerplay in overtime. hand it to them, brian. If it's not a
> penalty one time, it's still not a penalty later, okay? And he called
> about four against the Sharks that were at best marginal).
>
> Damn good game. San Jose was dressing what is probably real close to
> their final lineup (three, maybe four players max that might not make
> it). The Hawks were probably at about 80% of final lineup, including
> pretty much all the major players (Graham, Chelios, et al).
No Larmer though.
>
> Waite in goal for the Sharks looked great. Hackett in goal for the
>
The Sharks started out slow, but I really liked how they came
back in the last two periods. I was bothered by the numbber
of shots on goal that a relatively poor offensive team like
Chicago put up. The Sharks power play looked like last year's
a number of times.
> Sykora, Kroupa and Rathje all are frankly playing like they are going
> to stay with the Sharks (and deserve to. Of the three, Rathje is
> probably the weakest). Markarov and Sullivan were scratched, Larionov
> is being listed as out with a separated left shoulder (no word on when,
> were or how severe).
^^^^^^^^^^ I think the Murky said week to 10 days, so not
very sever.
> We got our first look at Nazarov. Nice, big kid.
> Pretty good on skates. Probably starts at K.C., but shouldnt' stay
> there long.
He looked almost bored out there at times. The Sharks are still
going to be too small up front, so having a big guy like
Nazarov, even though he's learning and making a few mistakes,
may be better than giving him time in KC. He just doesn't
look bothered out there, and that was against a good hitting
WhitePigeon team.
>
> Sykora and Kroupa continue to impress the hell out of me. A definite
> presence and a maturity far beyond their years. Kroupa looks like an
> absolute steal....
After seeing Kroupa twice, sending him to the juniors would be
a crime. Although he stubbled a few times, overall he held
his own, he's ready to learn at the NHL level. Gund ought to
give Grillo a big bonus for finding this guy!
>
mark
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 15:42 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 15:40 PST
From: "Don Garka, email@hidden, 415-422-1843, L-262"
Subject: comments on the new arena
Arena bad points.
The biggest disapointment I have had so far is my sight line. I am in the
4th row (second level) and the there are 2 obstacles. One is the safety railing
but I guess that problem is being addressed. The other is that the people in
the third row have a railing between them and the second row. The railing makes
it very convient for them to sit on front 4 inches of their seat and lean on
the rail which means they can obscure up to 30 % of the ice surface with their
heads.
I have a hard time finding the puck on the video screen screen and I just
bought new glasses for the start of the season :-) ... I was hoping for a
better display than what they had at the ARCO arena but it didn't appear
and clearer to me... there were a lot of shadows.
Arena good points.
The lighting is much better. I will be able to read the shark stats without
going blind! Maybe even catch up on the Hockey News between periods.
I really like NOT having the boards cluttered with advertising!!!!
GAK was correct the Gorden Biersch has excellent beer. They even filled the
cup and there are plenty of places to get rid of used beer!
The team is better.
The seats are comfortable.
I don't mind walking so the parking situation is great as far as I'm concerned
There is no longer a reason to hurry and leave (after the game of course, no
one has any excuse to leave before the final buzzer now) to beat the rush,
there hasn't been any traffic problems at all and it has been easy to get to
the freeway. Being closer is a big plus as well 43 (one way) miles is a lot
better than 73.
****************************************************************************
Don Garka LLNL (Sec 216 R4 S9&10) email@hidden
PO Box 808 mail Stop L-262 510-422-1843
Livermore, CA. 94550 FAX 510-423-8193
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 16:10 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 16:08:55 PDT
From: email@hidden (Alan Hepburn)
Subject: Re: Ice condition? Any problems?
Bruce questions the quality of the Epicentre ice:
Typically, the surface will show ruts, etc. after resurfacing.
For a good surface, it will be cut once, allowed to freeze up,
then cut again. Sometimes it will be cut 3 or 4 times, then
allowed to freeze overnight. Then you'll see glass-smooth ice!
I haven't had a chance to talk to any players yet about the
quality of the ice, but judging from my foray onto the ice
Sunday morning, I would say that the fresh surface is nice and
hard. After having over 200 people skating on it for 45 minutes
it was in poor shape for a hockey game. I really felt sorry for
the later sessions; they didn't cut the ice after our session and
the next group had some serious melting to contend with! But 45
minutes with over 200 pairs of skates is a lot of abuse compared to
45 minutes of 12 pairs of skates, so I don't think the players will
have as much of a problem.
---
Alan Hepburn "If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens,
National Semiconductor how incapable must Man be of learning from experience.
Santa Clara, Ca
email@hidden George Bernard Shaw
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 16:14 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 22:50 GMT
From: Jay Zorzy
Subject: SJ Sharks tix 4 sale
==================================
For Sale: San Jose Sharks Tickets
==================================
2 Lower Reserved Seats, $38 ea. (Sec 102, Row 17, Seats 9-10)
- Outstanding location!
- Blue line seats; Sharks offensive zone 2 periods
- Behind visitors bench
- 1st row behind $65 club seats
Games Available:
Date Opponent
---- --------
Sat, 11/27 Anaheim Mighty Ducks (2pm)
Sun, 12/5 Florida Panthers (2pm)
Sat, 1/8 Team USA (exhib., $30 ea)
Mon, 1/17 Calgary Flames (2pm)
Thu, 2/17 Quebec Nordiques
Mon, 2/21 Dallas Stars (2pm)
Sun, 3/6 Anaheim Mighty Ducks (2pm)
(game times 7:30pm except where noted)
First come, first served.
Contact: Jay Zorzy
Home: 510/651-8931
Work: 408/431-5107
Email: email@hidden
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 16:35 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 16:34:08 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: early cut list
J
Just heard a blurb on the Sharks cuts. Flaherty, Cherbayev and Otevrel are
all Blads. More when I get more names.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 16:54 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Mark Spiegel)
Subject: Re: Arena comments?
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 16:52:09 PDT
1. Love my seats!
2. The sound system is barely audible.
3. The Arena is SO NICE I had a big hesitation when I
(eventually) dropped my crumpled-up hot dog wrapper
on the floor.
4. Food lines move too slow. Seem to also have some
stocking problems. . .the counter I tried to buy
a Polish dog from was out already at 7:10 at the
Thursday night game.
5. The "generic" food doesn't thrill me, however the
specialty food is very good
>>> Mexico Lindo (near Sect 106) has very good $5 burritos.
6. Hard to differentiate the food counters. They all
look alike but don't all serve the same things.
7. The boards are NICE AND WHITE WITH NO ADVERTISING ! ! ! !
Just like the Hockey Gawds meant to the game to be played.
I sure hope it stays this way, no Coke/Bank/etc sign
obscuring the puck. (Hey Bettman wanna make the puck
more visible, get that gawd-awful advertising off the boards.)
8. All-in-all a great arena in which I hope to enjoy many Sharks
games . . . . .including a few Stanley Cups!
mark
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 16:57 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 16:54:06 -0700
From: Richard Stueven
Subject: Re: Arena comments?
>The alternative is forcing GAK and the
>209ers to use the space shuttle to get to their seats.
OK...guess it's my turn. (BTW...how many times, chuq?
gak is ALWAYS LOWERCASE! :-)
Overall, I've got to say this is about the nicest arena I've ever
seen! The View From The Rafters is great, the seats are comfortable,
the cup holders are a good idea (except for two things: 1) they're in
a bad location, and 2) I don't have one), and Gordon Biersch is selling
beer there!
The worst part about the place is...it's in San Jose. Travel time from
Alameda last Thursday was 1.25 hours, which pushes the envelope of my
patience, but there's not much I can do about that.
Other complaints:
- It's Way Too Hot Up There! (Especially for someone like me whose
internal thermostat is set too high in the first place.) It was a
little better on Saturday, but the system still needs tweaking.
Part of the problem is...
- All Those Stairs! I know why they installed those rails in the
stairways: that's where you attach your climbing gear. And all
those people climbing all those stairs generate a lot of heat...I
think they should install escalators.
- Extortion at the Concession Stands! A perennial complaint of
event-goers everywhere, but $5.50 for an anemic roast beef
sandwich?
Still, I think I'm going to like it here...
have fun
gak
209/15/19&20
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 17:00 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1993 16:58:10 -0700
From: Richard Stueven
Subject: Re: Arena comments?
>From email@hidden
>
> There just isn't enough room
> between rows to walk, and those cup holders take part of the room that is
> available. I tripped over one on Saturday, and found myself in the next row.
Yeah, but did you spill your beer?
have fun
gak
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 21:03 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 93 21:00:39 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: cuts
Here's the newswire on the cuts:
Assigned to Kansas City(IHL):
Goalies: Wade Flaherty and Corwin Saurdiff
LW: Alexander Cherbayev, Andrei Nazarov, Jaroslav Otevrel
RW: Ed Courtenay
C: Frederick Nilsson
Defense: Guy Gosselin, Tom Pederson
Released: Forward Dan Shank (free agent)
(analysis to follow in the morning, since my notes are at work. But four
goalies in K.C. are too many. Guess Dan Ryder loses there. Ray Whitney makes
the team.)
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 4 23:05 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 93 02:03:22 EDT
Subject: Re: last night's game the arena
Well I had a bad experience at the game on Saturday night. First when the
game ended I foolishly left my camera in the seat next to mine. (I knew most
of the people who were sitting near me.) When I returned it was gone. A
$2000+ camera. The ironic part is I had taken the camera out of my car when I
parked at CalTrain parking so it wouldn't get stolen from the car. I
reported the camera stolen and in doning so missed the train after the game.
Everyone at the Arena stated they were very sorry that my camera was stolen.
(butt kiss mode I believe) Now I just hope my insurance will cover most of
the cost.
The good news is that most of the people I knew from the MooPlace are working
at the arena. Which allowed me to get attention quickly just by knowing their
names. I was also able to visit the box seat club area. Nice, colorful,
contemporary and full of large sharks pictures.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 08:13 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 08:12:28 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Pronger Signs
Chris Pronger signed a last minute 4/yr, $7Million contract with the
Whalers. He's the first of the high-round pickes other than Daigle to
sign.
This is of note primarily because it MIGHT make it somewhat easier for
the Sharks and Koslov to come to terms, which, if they want him to play
this year (if I have my facts straight) has to happen before the opening
of the season (at 4:30OM tonight! It's HOCKEY SEASON!!!!!!!!)
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 08:42 PDT 1993
Subject: Go Sharks!
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 93 08:40:33 PDT
From: Rick Bender
New to this discussion group, but a long time hockey fan. Grew up going
to San Francisco Seals WHL games at the Cow Palace. . .
It's tough being a Sharks fan in the middle of Kings and Ducks land [to
say nothing of being a Giants fan in SoCal :-( ]. But no one can complain
about the boom of hockey in California!
Went to the Sharks-Ducks game Sunday night at the new Pond in Anaheim. The
Sharks played a lackluster game, and on balance looked like a fair match
with the Ducks (scary thought, huh?). Of course, Falloon and others didn't
play, but it still was disappointing that they didn't play better. . .
The Pond is quite awesome, in some ways more akin to an opera house than
a venue for vigorous athletic conflict. Took a long time to soak in the
surroundings, in some ways I'm still shaking my head trying to make sense
of it. Perhaps it just seems too elegant for hockey. But when eventually
filled with knowledgeable and boisterous hockey fans, spurred on by a
quality team, the place will really rock.
Can't wait to come up and experience a game in the new San Jose Arena. I
saw it under construction, and have seen drawings of the interior, but the
experience will be a different story! Chomp!
Thanks Laurie for getting me on board. I look forward to future
discussions. . .
Best regards,
Rick Bender
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 08:55 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 08:54:20 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Opening day roster
Here is the Sharks opening night roster, plus initial line combinations.
We're starting the season with 28 players, although Constantine says he
expects that will trim down to 23 or 24 within the first month as they get a
better feel for who is really ready for the NHL. (he also is going to be
watching Cherbayev and Nazarov closely, noting that Ozolinsh spent only 3
months in the IHL, and that it is possible they might do something like
that, also)
Center:
13 Jamie Baker 6-0 190
33 Dale Craigwell 5-11 180
7 Igor Larionov 5-9 170
20 Kip Miller 5-10 160
47 Mike Sullivan 6-2 185
Left Wing:
15 David Bruce 5-11 190
27 Dave Capuano 6-2 190
11 Gaetan Duschesne 5-11 200
12 Bob Errey 5-10 183
10 Johan Garpenlov 5-11 185
25 David Maley 6-2 195
Right Wing:
17 Pat Falloon 5-11 190
37 Rob Gaudreau 5-11 185
24 Sergei Makarov 5-11 185
36 Jeff Odgers 6-0 195
14 Ray Whitney 5-9 160
Defense:
44 Shawn Cronin 6-2 210
26 Vlastimil Croupa 6-2 176
5 Mike Lalor 6-1 200
4 jay More 6-1 200
8 Jeff Norton 6-2 190
6 Sandis Ozolinsh 6-1 195
40 Mike Rathje 6-5 205
38 Michal Sykora 6-4 210
2 Rob Zettler 6-3 195
19 Doug Smolek 6-2 225
Goal:
32 Arturs Irbe 5-7 180
29 Jimmy Waite 6-1 180
(it seems clear that the cuts wll be 1 LW and 3 Defense down the road...)
Falloon/Miller/Garpenlov
Whitney/Capuano/Makarov
Errey/Baker/Gaudreau
Duschesne/Sullivan/Odgers
Bruce/Craigwell/Maley
Capuano is centering for Larionov until the shoulder gets better (week, ten
days. Not a serious separation. Maybe as soon as Sunday)
Irbe will get the opener, and Waite the 2nd game.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 09:02 PDT 1993
Date: 5 Oct 1993 09:02:52 -0800
From: "Daniel Morris"
Subject: Arena Sound System
Arena Sound System
I have read the various comments on the new Arena with great interest. Yes,
there was a comment from Chuq with regard to the loudness of the sound system.
Pardon me! It is not "loud", it is truly "dreadful".
My seats are in Section 112, Row 10 and from that part of the Arena for the
Islander game last Thursday night, the announcer was completely unintelligible
and the music was terrible. (Do you suppose that our mail list could help to
"map" the sound system from "good" to "OK" to "bad" and maybe just in the case
of Section 112, to "awful".) As the designers of Davies well know, halls seem
to have an acoustical life all their own, and IMHO the San Jose Arena has
started out life as the "Hall from Acoustic Hell."
In this regard, the Cow Palace was surprisingly good, especially when the seats
were mostly empty during the pre-game warm-up and the music was blasted out
with what I thought was a "great" sound. I wandered around during the
Islander's warm-up and the music sounded like shit no matter where I went. Do
not misunderstand, I am here for the hockey game, not a concert. But the
extreme contrast with the Cow Palace jolted me into the realization of how much
I enjoyed the music during warm-up and the way it could and did "warm-up" the
fans.
Of more importance, during the game I could almost never understand the
announcements, who scored and assisted on the goal, who received what penalty,
etc. In most cases when it related to the Sharks, I saw what had happened and
pretty much knew what was going on. However, with regard to the visiting team,
I was not as familiar with their roster and would have appreciated being able
to understand the commentary.
Just my $0.02 worth.
dan
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 09:09 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 09:08:54 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Arena Sound System
>Pardon me! It is not "loud", it is truly "dreadful".
For the first game, it was "loud", as in "cover your ears". It was toned
down for the second game below the pain threshold.
>My seats are in Section 112, Row 10 and from that part of the Arena for the
>Islander game last Thursday night, the announcer was completely unintelligible
>and the music was terrible.
Well, in the two places we sat (127 row 4, and 117 row 1 for games 1 and two
respectively), it was intelligble without any problem (as long as Bud Kelly
didn't yell that first night!). I've got no problem with it, despite having
a bad tendency to have voice-tones drowned out by background noise.
>In this regard, the Cow Palace was surprisingly good, especially when the seats
>were mostly empty during the pre-game warm-up and the music was blasted out
>with what I thought was a "great" sound.
Funny. I hated the Cow Palace. In our regular seats, MM, things were
moderately intelligible. Not great, somewhat muddy. But I've sat in other
areas (section 10, section AA or BB) where it was hopeless. I remember
standing behind the goal nearest the lobby of the Palace, in an almost empty
arena, during a scrimmage, and not being able to understand a single word
that was said over the PA -- with zero crowd noise. ("Was that "falloon
scores" or "balloons galore?")
I guess it's where you are.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 10:02 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 09:53:02 PDT
From: email@hidden (Rob Eccles)
Subject: SHARKS Tickets Available
I am unable to attend several Saturday evening games
this month, so I must part with the tickets.
October 23 vs. Vancouver @ 7:00 PM
and
October 30 vs. Washington @ 7:30 PM
Seats: Section 203 (corner view of goal Sharks shoot at for 2 periods)
Row 7
Seats 1&2 (aisle seats)
Cost: $28 each (face value)
Rob Eccles
408-730-3671 (work)
email@hidden
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 10:21 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 10:24:33 PDT
From: email@hidden (Doug Moran)
Subject: Re: Arena comments?
Richard Stueven writes:
>
> The worst part about the place is...it's in San Jose. Travel time from
> Alameda last Thursday was 1.25 hours, which pushes the envelope of my
> patience, but there's not much I can do about that.
A contrasting opinion: having lived in Santa Cruz for 12 years now, I
find it refreshing to only have to drive .75 hours to get to a game,
instead of 1.5 hours. And then there is the added advantage of the
access -- getting out of the Cow Palace after a game was a nightmare. I
have only been to the Arena once, but getting in and out was a breeze.
(I am not even going to mention Candlestick here . . .) Also, since I
work in Campbell, time to the game will actually be more on the order of
.25 hours, anyway.
dougm
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 10:25 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 10:23:26 +0800
From: email@hidden (Mike Eisler)
Subject: Re: Pronger Signs
> From email@hidden Tue Oct 5 08:36 PDT 1993
> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 08:12:28 PDT
> From: Chuq Von Rospach
> To: email@hidden
> Subject: Pronger Signs
>
>
> Chris Pronger signed a last minute 4/yr, $7Million contract with the
> Whalers. He's the first of the high-round pickes other than Daigle to
> sign.
>
> This is of note primarily because it MIGHT make it somewhat easier for
> the Sharks and Koslov to come to terms, which, if they want him to play
> this year (if I have my facts straight) has to happen before the opening
> of the season (at 4:30OM tonight! It's HOCKEY SEASON!!!!!!!!)
The downside is that Jason Arnott might now sign with the Oilers now
that he has a better idea of his "worth". If one believes Gerald Olchowny
on rec.sport.hockey, Arnott could provide a big boost to making the
Oilers contend for the playoffs. And realistically, if the Oilers finish
in the top 8, the Sharks don't. Let's hope that Koslov signs today.
-mre
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 10:45 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 10:22:51 PDT
From: email@hidden (Rob Eccles)
Subject: Re: Arena Sound System
"Daniel Morris" writes reguarding the Isles game:
> Arena Sound System
> I have read the various comments on the new Arena with great interest. Yes,
> there was a comment from Chuq with regard to the loudness of the sound system.
> Pardon me! It is not "loud", it is truly "dreadful".
Yes, one mother in our section had had cotton balls scotch taped to her
infant's ears! They did seem to lower the volume somewhat as the game
progressed - or was it that my ears became less sensitive? At least they
did stop ringing after the first period.
Even so, it was still TOO LOUD.
Rob
203/7/2
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 10:45 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Ducks 3, Sharks 2 (OT)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 10:44:08 -0700 (PDT)
>
> More details if I get my hands on a paper.
>
Well, with the Giants going down in flames and the niners playing, and the
chiefs playing the raiders, they didn't have any more than the score in the
paper. Oh, I guess they had the exhibition standings too. The sharks
were in their familiar position (not that I'm worried) and the ducks ended up
in fourth (2-2-1).
-Arik
(murky news was the paper)
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 11:12 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden
Subject: THis may be crazy...
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 11:10:01 -0700 (PDT)
Hey gang,
seeing as how we have a few folks with us overseas, and most of us are pretty
proficient in the computer technology area, I thought it would be an
interesting idea to record the games of the radio, and perhaps digitize the
interesting tidbits for ftp'ing. I remember someone had digitized an
interview earlier in the summer, and I wondered if this sort of thing would
be possible. Whaddya think?
-Arik
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 12:00 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 11:58:50 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: Arena Sound System
> Arena Sound System
> My seats are in Section 112, Row 10 and from that part of the Arena for the
> Islander game last Thursday night, the announcer was completely unintelligible
> and the music was terrible.
>From 117, I found the announcer moderately unintelligible and Dieter's
organ music was fine (as opposed to the taped crap). From 209, the
announcer was completely unintelligible.
> In this regard, the Cow Palace was surprisingly good, especially when the seats
> were mostly empty during the pre-game warm-up and the music was blasted out
> with what I thought was a "great" sound.
Blasted is the word. "Great" is not. Pregame and intermission was
painful, like they wanted it to be heard in San Jose.
> I enjoyed the music during warm-up and the way it could and did "warm-up" the
> fans.
More like "turn off".
Chuq sez:
> ("Was that "falloon scores" or "balloons galore?")
Why not both? :-)
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| Ed Rush, not speaking for Metaphor, Mtn. View, CA |
| Internet: email@hidden |
| "My Macintosh doesn't go out in the rain." |
| Epicenter 117/17/11-12 |
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 13:10 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 13:08:09 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed McGettigan)
Subject: Sharks Audio for the Deprived Fans (SAD Fans?)
email@hidden writes:
> seeing as how we have a few folks with us overseas, and most of us are pretty
> proficient in the computer technology area, I thought it would be an
> interesting idea to record the games of the radio, and perhaps digitize the
> interesting tidbits for ftp'ing. I remember someone had digitized an
> interview earlier in the summer, and I wondered if this sort of thing would
> be possible. Whaddya think?
>
I've though about this in the past, and I'm the one that put up the "Jawing
with the Sharks" interviews, but there's a few problems with it.
1. Digitizing the sound on my SUN gets about 2.5MB per 5 minutes. There's
probably a lower sample rate program out there, but I don't know where.
2. Taping the program and providing highlights doesn't really give you that
much I think. Nelson does a pretty good job of describing the goals and
most tapes will go 90 minutes, but the game goes for 3 hours. Could use
a VCR tape with audio input from your stereo though.
Has anyone out there played with internet radio? Maybe if enough people out
there way from the Bay Area want it we and have internet access we could
broadcast it to the world.
Ed
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 13:27 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 13:25:40 -0700
From: Richard Stueven
Subject: Re: last night's game the arena
>From email@hidden Fri Oct 1 18:04:49 1993
>
> - When that place is sold out, it is possible that the noise
> could rival Chicago stadium ... can't wait for Oct. 14.
Likewise! We're going to take the roof off that place...
> - The Go Man was harder to hear (and I'm about 20 feet
> closer to virtual 107 this year) ... I think you are
> going to have to resort to power gak.
Hey, it was pre-season! I'm still warming up...
have fun
gak
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 13:29 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 13:27:44 -0700
From: Richard Stueven
Subject: Sharks Tickets for Sale - October/November 1993
Sharks Tickets for Sale - October/November 1993
===============================================
Single tickets only - Sec 209 Row 15 Seat 19 - $14.
All games (except 11/7 vs. New Jersey) start at 7:30pm.
Sat 10/16 Boston Bruins
Tue 10/19 St.Louis Blues
Tue 10/26 Edmonton Oilers
Thu 10/28 Mighty Ducks of Anaheim (I am not making this up)
Sat 10/30 Washington Capitals
Fri 11/5 Dallas Stars
Sun 11/7 New Jersey Devils (2:00 pm)
Tue 11/9 Toronto Maple Leafs
have fun
gak
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 13:31 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 13:28:22 PDT
From: email@hidden (Dane Collins)
Subject: Radio in the arena
Has anyone talked to KFRC about whether they can do anything so that we
can listen to the games from within the arena? I tried at Saturday's
game and could not pick up any signal from KFRC. About all I could receive
was a very weak KNBR.
--dane
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 13:31 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 13:30:37 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Sharks Tickets for Sale - October/November 1993
>Single tickets only - Sec 209 Row 15 Seat 19 - $14.
>All games (except 11/7 vs. New Jersey) start at 7:30pm.
Must have loud voice.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 13:35 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 13:33:40 -0700
From: Richard Stueven
Subject: Re: last night's game the arena
>From email@hidden Mon Oct 4 17:28:29 1993
>>
>> - The Go Man was harder to hear (and I'm about 20 feet
>> closer to virtual 107 this year) ... I think you are
>> going to have to resort to power gak.
>>
> or TURBO GAK, or maybe gak could annoint additional
> go-people with the task in other partsof the arena.
THERE'S an idea! Speak up, folks!
have fun
gak
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 13:54 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 13:51:53 -0700
From: Richard Stueven
Subject: Exhibition Results
So, is this how it ended up?
9/23 vs Buffalo (Sac) 2-3 (OT)
9/25 vs Buffalo 7-2
9/28 vs LA (Denver) 2-4
9/29 at LA 3-4
9/30 vs Islanders 4-2
10/2 vs Chicago 3-3 (OT)
10/3 at Anaheim 2-3 (OT)
Pretty competitive, I'd say...
have fun
gak (where's my time machine? beam me to next thursday!)
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 14:02 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 14:00:15 -0700
From: Richard Stueven
Subject: Re: Sharks Tickets for Sale - October/November 1993
>From email@hidden Tue Oct 5 13:42:34 1993
>
>>Single tickets only - Sec 209 Row 15 Seat 19 - $14.
>>All games (except 11/7 vs. New Jersey) start at 7:30pm.
>
>Must have loud voice.
And lots and lots of Ricolas and/or Jolly Ranchers.
have fun
gak
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 14:10 PDT 1993
Date: 5 Oct 1993 14:12:53 -0800
From: "Dave Comstock"
Subject: Re: Pronger Signs
Reply to: RE>>Pronger Signs
Chuq sez:
> This is of note primarily because it MIGHT make it somewhat easier for
> the Sharks and Koslov to come to terms, which, if they want him to play
> this year (if I have my facts straight) has to happen before the opening
> of the season (at 4:30OM tonight! It's HOCKEY SEASON!!!!!!!!)
You are correct, sir. The Murky News noted the deadline today in a news bite
on the signing of Peter Forsberg ("the best hockey player in the world not in
the NHL", as The Hockey News is fond of describing him).
I can't remember the terms of his contract (I think it was similar to
Pronger's: four years, $7+ million), but the article mentioned that even
though Forsberg would be playing for his club team and the Swedish Olympic Team
until April, if he didn't sign by today, he could not have played in the NHL
until next season. I believe the rules governing Pronger are different (he was
a major-junior league player, not a player under contract to a European team),
but Kozlov presumably falls under the same rules as Forsberg.
Dave Comstock
120/7/7-10
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 14:27 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 14:26:24 PDT
From: email@hidden (Rolland Crunk)
Subject: Sharks tickets wanted
Looking for 3 tickets for 10/26/93 Sharks game against Edmonton.
Prefer the $38 variety but will consider others. Tickets must be
together as I am planning on bringing my 5 & 6 year old sons to
their first hockey game. Will purchase a 4th ticket if it's with
the others.
Respond to this mail or call:
Rolland Crunk (408) 379-7000 x1443 (best bet)
(408) 773-0714
rc
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 14:43 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 14:39:54 PDT
From: email@hidden (Jason Cockroft)
Subject: Was Purdy in 209 ??
In the weekend NHL Preview section of the Mercury News,
Mark Purdy answered 13 questions about the game.
Question 12 went something like the following:
q12: What do I do if I'm new to the game and want to impress
people that I actually know something about hockey?
a: Go and buy some $14 rafter seats and yell
"Hit 'em with the butt end of your stick"
-jake.
shaaaaAAARRRKKKKK ATTACK!
Epicenter 209/16/5
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 15:03 PDT 1993
From: Nelson Lu
Subject: Sharks Audio for the Deprived Fans (SAD Fans?) (fwd)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 15:01:23 -0700 (PDT)
Forwarded message:
> 2. Taping the program and providing highlights doesn't really give you that
> much I think. Nelson does a pretty good job of describing the goals and
> most tapes will go 90 minutes, but the game goes for 3 hours. Could use
> a VCR tape with audio input from your stereo though.
Talking about that, I haven't had a lot of experience with KFRC. Anybody
know how good the reception is generally in the Peninsula area? (I live in
Atherton)
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 15:32 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 15:30:14 -0700
From: email@hidden (Jim Liskovec)
Subject: Tix4sale
Still have 4 pairs of tickets for three games in Oct and Nov:
Day Date Opponent Tickets
Tue Oct19 St Louis 4 together
Tue Oct26 Edmonton 2
Tue Nov 9 Toronto 2
Seats are in balcony section 214 row 8. $56/pair. Shark attack
zone for two periods. e-mail or call (415)969-5542 Jim
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 15:44 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 15:43:39 PDT
From: email@hidden (Rolland Crunk)
Subject: Re: Sharks Audio for the Deprived Fans (SAD Fans?) (fwd)
----- Begin Included Message -----
>From email@hidden Tue Oct 5 15:35:25 1993
Subject: Sharks Audio for the Deprived Fans (SAD Fans?) (fwd)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1993 15:01:23 -0700 (PDT)
Forwarded message:
> 2. Taping the program and providing highlights doesn't really give you that
> much I think. Nelson does a pretty good job of describing the goals and
> most tapes will go 90 minutes, but the game goes for 3 hours. Could use
> a VCR tape with audio input from your stereo though.
Talking about that, I haven't had a lot of experience with KFRC. Anybody
know how good the reception is generally in the Peninsula area? (I live in
Atherton)
----- End Included Message -----
KFRC comes in pretty strong here in the south bay and throughout a
good portion of Northern California. I used to listen to KFRC in high
school when I drove my parents car that had only an AM radio. That was
in Elk Creek CA which is about 60 miles SW of Chico.
I set my #1 AM preset to it the other day after hearing that they were
to broadcast Sharks games. I was driving by 280/880 in San Jose at the time;
it came in load and clear. Should be even better in Atherton.
rc
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 15:56 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Bruce McKenzie)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 15:46:55 -0700
Subject: Oct 28 tickets: want to exchange for another game
I have two seats for the Ducks (10/28)
$38: Section 127, Row 22 (either 13-14, or 15-16. 15-16 is aisle)
I cannot attend that game, but would like to exchange the tickets for an equivalent
pair for some other game (10/26 or 10/30, for example)
Please email if you're interested.
---
Bruce McKenzie (email@hidden, NeXTMail OK)
"So..happy..ironing..for..my..friend..Stimpy!"
PDH Inc. 2635 N. First St. Ste 224, San Jose, CA 95134
voice: 408/428-9596, fax: 408/428-9599
Epicenter: Section 127, Row 22, Seats 13-14
* Opinions expressed are those of my own twisted mind, not my employer's *
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 5 16:03 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 93 16:02:33 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Sharks tickets available in section 203
----- Begin Included Message -----
These $28 tickets are in Row 5 of Section 203, which is in the south
corner of the Epicenter, near the goal line that the Sharks attack twice.
For any of these games, the owners might be talked into selling all
four seats they own. Call Harry or Diane Gow, 408-984-5928. If needs
be, leave a message on the recorder and they'll get back to you.
No. of
Seats Date Opponent
2 Tues., 19 Oct. St. Louis Blues
2 Wed., 15 Dec. St. Louis Blues
2 Tues., 28 Dec. Calgary Flames
2 Thurs, 6 Jan. Detroit Red Wings
2 Tues., 15 Feb. Philadelphia Flyers
2 Tues., 31 Mar. Toronto Maple Leafs
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 08:55 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 08:53:05 -0700
From: Richard Stueven
Subject: NHL Tonight
HERE WE GO!!!
NHL schedule for Wednesday, 10/6...
Florida at Chicago
Hartford at Montreal
Quebec at Ottawa
SAN JOSE at Edmonton
Tampa Bay at New Jersey
Vancouver at Los Angeles
Washington at Winnipeg
have fun
gak
209/15/19&20
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 09:47 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Rick Ryder)
Subject: BPotG Event! Sharks vs Edmonton Tonight!!
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 09:52:27 -0700 (PDT)
OKAY PEOPLE! The votes are in and tallied! And by an overwhelming margin . . .
SAN JOSE SHARKS vs. EDMONTON OILERS
Where: Brew Pub On The Green (BPotG)
3350 Stevenson Blvd, Fremont
(510) 651-5510
When: Wednesday, 10/06/93, 6:30pm
Why: Season Opener!!
How: (...to get there)
N (NOT TO SCALE, Folks! (some streets omitted))
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| | | BPotG | | Lake |
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V (1.5 lights past Fremont Blvd)
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Note that BART is in walking distance to the BrewPub.
Questions? Zap me a mail!
SEE YOU THERE!!
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 09:50 PDT 1993
Date: 06 Oct 93 12:46:35 EDT
From: Richard Thompson
Subject: KNBR Interview
"Razor Voice" interviewed Kevin "The Fist" Constantine on KNBR last night. I
missed the whole thing except for the last 30 seconds! Did anyone hear the full
interview? If so, what was said?
Thanks in advance.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 10:12 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 16:53 GMT
From: "Andrew T. Kuligowski"
Subject: Ahola - Final TB Update
For you fans of Peter Ahola, you may get to see him again sooner than you
wish. According to the "Transactions" column in St. Pete Times, Phil E.
sent him off to Calgary for that wiley veteran, "Future Considerations".
(This one didn't even merit a one-liner in today's TBL article or even the
notes - Brent Gretzky's ticket to Atlanta merited a paragraph! The coverage
down here is much better than I expected, but I'm used to seeing at least a
quick blurb about transactions involving players in the farm system!)
With hopes that the Sharks will be able to squeeze playoff ticket money out
of all of you come this spring,
-- Andy Kuligowski (sorry, I left my .sig on my other computer!)
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 10:33 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 93 09:43:17 PDT
From: SJSU Ice Hockey
Subject: SJSU vs CAL
San Jose State will meet the University of California- Berkeley for the
first time this season, Friday night October 8th at 7:00 pm and
Saturday night October 9th at 7:30 pm, at Golden Gate Ice Arena.
Game tickets are only sold at the door. $5.00 general admission or
$3.00 with any college or high school ID. Children 5 to 16 are $3.00,
under 5 is free.
Both games will be played with Three 20 minute periods and ice cuts.
NCAA rules will apply.
The "NEW" Spartan Ice Hockey shirts will be available to the general public
for the first time at these games. Shirts are $12.00, and come in men's
sizes; S, M, L, XL, XXL.
To get there;
Take Highway 101 toward the Redwood City/ Menlo Park area.
Exit at Marsh Road (west) toward Atherton. Turn right at the
3rd light, Florence Way (the sign is difficult to see at night). Florence
will merge into Bay Road if you stay toward the right. Golden Gate Ice
Arena will be on the left as you pass the 7-Eleven store. 3140 Bay Road
For more information contact Steve or Lou at (408) 993-8638.
We'll see ya there!!!
Stephen E. Stich
San Jose State University Ice Hockey
P.C.H.A. Div. I Champs 1992/93 ***********************
P.C.H.A Div.II Champs 1991/92 ***GO SPARTANS!********
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INTERNET: email@hidden
BITNET: email@hiddent "Ausgezeich-Net"!
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 11:09 PDT 1993
From: "Rocky Paluch S.B.U."
Date: 6 Oct 93 14:06:07 EST
Subject: Last night's games
Priority: normal
Does anyone have the scores for last night's slate?
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 11:28 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 11:24:01 PDT
From: email@hidden (Rick Rees)
Subject: Fans in SanFrancisco
If you would like to watch the first Sharks game tonight
with some other fans in SF, give me a call.
It will be at my place (I have a big room with large
screen TV) near 25th and Folsom.
Call me for directions.
-Rick
(415) 550-8209
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 11:43 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 11:40:01 PDT
From: email@hidden (Eric Reid - SunPics)
Subject: Anyone have the Sharks' front office phone numbers handy?
Specifically, I want to inquire into possibilities for playing the National
Anthem(s) before a game this year. Or perhaps Dieter (sp?) the Wonder Organist
has a clause in his contract ruling such things out.....
We do a pretty fair 'O Canada', though.....
Eric Reid
Member, as yet unnamed trombone quartet
106/23/22-23
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 11:48 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 11:47:27 -0800
From: email@hidden (Michael E. Larson)
Subject: Hockey Scores...
As someone requested...
If people are interested I can post this daily and add some info that I
recall from the night before...
NHL
Boston Bruins 4 New York Rangers 3
Philadelphia Flyers 4 Pittsburgh Penguins 3
Dallas Stars 6 Detroit Red Wings 4
Calgary Flames 2 New York Islanders 1
Other editorial notes I am aware of...
Lindros 1 goal, 2 assists
-Larson
Michael E. Larson email@hidden
Apple Computer, Inc. AppleLink: LARSON
20525 Mariani Ave. MS 75-6H
Cupertino, CA 95014 (408) 862-4800
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 12:13 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 12:11:34 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Anyone have the Sharks' front office phone numbers handy?
>Specifically, I want to inquire into possibilities for playing the National
>Anthem(s) before a game this year. Or perhaps Dieter (sp?) the Wonder Organist
>has a clause in his contract ruling such things out.....
No, not Dieter, but the Sharks set things up early on so that they have two
standard singers who trade off on all games. They don't bring in people just
to do it once.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 12:58 PDT 1993
Date: 6 Oct 1993 13:03:20 -0800
From: "Dave Comstock"
Subject: Re: Anyone have the Sharks
Reply to: RE>> Anyone have the Sharks'
Chuq sez:
>the Sharks set things up early on so that they have two standard singers
>who trade off on all games. They don't bring in people just to do it once.
Ummm, that's not strictly true. At one game (which I happened to be late for,
dammit!), Huey Lewis and a couple of members of the News performed the national
anthem. And I seem to recall at least one little girl belting out the
anthem(s) with all her heart.
So it IS possible. I don't know how LIKELY it is for the Sharks to use another
person or group for the anthems, but it's worth a call to the Sharks. I
believe Dieter is also responsible for picking the anthem singers (I could be
wrong, however).
As for those purists who wonder about a trombone group playing the American and
Canadian national anthems: an acquaintance's trombone group played both
anthems at a baseball game I attended a few seasons back (I think it was a
Giants-Expos game, but it could have been A's-Blue Jays). Don't knock it 'til
you've tried it!
Dave
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 13:07 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 13:05:57 PDT
From: email@hidden (Alan Hepburn)
Subject: Re: Last night's games
"Does anyone have the scores for last night's slate?"
Boston 4
NY Rangers 3
Philadelphia 4
Pittsburgh 3
Calgary 2
NY Islanders 1
Dallas 6
Detroit 4
----
Alan Hepburn "If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens,
National Semiconductor how incapable must Man be of learning from experience.
Santa Clara, Ca
email@hidden George Bernard Shaw
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 13:10 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 13:10:19 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Last night's games
>"Does anyone have the scores for last night's slate?"
folks, just a heads up on this before it becomes a problem. This is a Sharks
list, not a general hockey list. Laurie and I chatted on this, and there are
other sources (like rec.sports.hockey) for this info.
Let's keep the group focussed. It gets chatty enough without heading off
into marginally related topics.
chuq (Da Assistant Bouncer, ya know?)
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 13:18 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 13:17:40 PDT
From: Laurie Sefton
Subject: Re: Last night's games
Let me do a follow-up on that. We have about 1/3 of the people on this list
who get it via digest format. They will get all this stuff after midnight
tonight, so it's going to be 36 hours old. They *don't* need 36 hour old
scores for all the other teams. There is also a size limit on the digest
(which is why those of you on the digest list had a double mailing yesterday)
and multiple instances of all the boxscores are going to just add to the size
problem.
As what Chuq said--this is the Sharks list--it's interesting to all the hockey
starved fans right now to get a scoresheet, but it's going to get less
interesting as the season moves onward.
Laurie
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 13:57 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 93 13:33:17 PST
From: Brian Crebs
Subject: Re: Hockey Scores...
As someone requested...
If people are interested I can post this daily and add some info that I
recall from the night before...
NHL
Boston Bruins 4 New York Rangers 3
Philadelphia Flyers 4 Pittsburgh Penguins 3
Dallas Stars 6 Detroit Red Wings 4
Calgary Flames 2 New York Islanders 1
Other editorial notes I am aware of...
Lindros 1 goal, 2 assists
-Larson
Keep up the good work!
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 13:59 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Mark Spiegel)
Subject: Playoffs - Tonight's Game (LONG)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 13:57:08 PDT
MAKING THE PLAYOFFS
-------------------
Based upon last season's results, the teams from the now
Western Conference who would make the playoffs this year
had the following final point totals:
Team W L T Pts
----- -- -- -- ---
Chicago 47 25 12 106
Vancouver 46 29 9 101
Detroit 47 28 9 103
Toronto 44 29 11 99
Calgary 43 30 11 97
LA 39 35 10 88
Winnipeg 40 37 7 87
St Louis 37 36 11 85
Assuming similar W-L-T records for this year, the Sharks
will have to pile up roughly 85 points to qualify for
a playoff spot. For 10 tied games (the exact average of the
above records) that leaves the Sharks needing 38 wins this
year to qualify for the playoffs, a daunting task.
Looking at the Sharks schedule this is what I see them
needing to do to get 38 wins.
Pacific Games Central Games Eastern Games
------------- ------------- -------------
Vancouver 1/6 Chicago 2/5 Penguins 0/2
Calgary 2/6 St Louis 3/5 Montreal 0/2
LA Kings 3/6 Detroit 1/4 NYRangers 0/2
Edmonton 4/6 Toronto 1/4 NYIsles 1/2
Anaheim 5/6 Winnipeg 2/4 Quebec 0/2
Dallas 3/4 Flyers 0/2
TampaBay 2/2
Florida 2/2
Ottawa 2/2
NJ 1/2
Hartford 1/2
Boston 1/2
Buffalo 1/2
Wash 0/2
------------- ------------- -------------
15/30 12/26 11/28
(wins/games) (wins/games) (wins/games)
Notes:
------
1. Feel free to sprinkle the 10 ties amongst the non-won
games where you wish.
2. With the number of games played against Pacific opponents,
this is where the Sharks have to generate wins. They
play these guys often, know them better. We really don't
match up well against Vancouver with their relatively
huge forwards, not to mention their firepower. Calgary
we are closer, and have somewhat of a history of playing
well against them, so more wins here. With the Sharks
rivalry against LA I don't see 3 wins as any stretch.
If the Sharks are going to finish ahead of Edmonton they
will have to win most games against them. And we've got
to pretty much trounce Anaheim (and the other expansion
teams) whenever we play them, making the best of situations
where our talent is actually better than the opposing
team. In short, the Sharks have got to make the most of
their games in the Pacific Division, simply because that
is where the games are concentrated. That makes these first
few games (Oilers tonight, Flames tomorrow and next
Thursday, Kings on Sunday) very important. The Sharks
have got to come out of it around .500. Both from a
pure numbers viewpoint, and a team psyche viewpoint.
So next Thursday (and I fully understand the sentiment)
when some of you feel the need to cheer Kisio keep the
game's importance in mind also, ok? :)
3. With Constantines emphasis on defense and Chicago's low
scoring offense I like the Sharks chances against Chicago.
3 out of 5 from the Blues?!?! I think we can shut down
the St. Louis offense much better than before. From what
I have read Duchense was instrumental in silencing Hull
during the playoffs when (then) Minnesota made it to the
finals. Duchense is 3 years older, but so is Hull. I'm
betting Gaeten can still pull it off. If we're lucky
we may catch Detroit in an off-night/lackluster play and
pull one out if we get the lead first and play discplined
defense.
4. I don't expect us to do well against the Penguins, Rangers
Montreal and Quebec because we don't match up well with
them talent and/or size wise and we don't play them enough
to get any advantage from familiarity. The number of wins
I listed in the Pacific and Central is about the limit I
see us getting so to make up the remaining wins the
Sharks will have to really go to town against the other
expansion teams. We may get one or two less from the
expansion teams and one or two more wins from Hartford
et al, but the Eastern total will pretty much have to
come out at 11.
5. To remain in the playoff hunt, the Sharks will have to
play near .500 hockey. If we fall below this I don't
think we will have the firepower to play much above
.500 and make up any early season deficit.
=====================================================================
TONIGHT'S GAME
-------------------
Rating the Sharks and Oilers in several areas (I know giving
equal weight to each isn't necessarily the best option, but
I can't think of any better weighting factors off hand), I
give a prediction for tonight's game.
Category Oilers Sharks
-------- ------ ------
1. Goaltending X
2. Power Plays X
3. Penalty Killing X
4. Faceoffs X
5. Home Ice Adv X
6. Intangibles X
7. Forwards X
8. Defensemen X
9. Coaching X
------- ------
4 5
( SHARKS WIN ! ! )
Notes:
------
1. If Ranford is HOT he could be all the difference in the game. He
undoubtedly accounted for several Oiler wins last year alone with
his play. I hope the Sharks have plans to go to the net ALOT to
try to distract Ranford, make him be concerned about giving up/
getting rebounds. Be nice to have Nazarov up now just to send
him in toward the goal at full tilt, slamming the brakes on
just in front. Ranford may have seen a lot of wild-eyed Russians
in his day but not one that big :).
2. Last year the Oilers couldn't score any better than the Sharks,
and in the off season they lost their two top goal scorers from
last year (Klima & Simpson). I give this category to the Sharks.
3. I think Errey, Duchense, Sullivan et al can out-duel MacTavish
and Buchberger et al.
4. Without Larionov in the lineup I give the nod the the Oilers
simply based on NHL experience, We'll have Miller, Baker,
Capuano and Sullivan against Weight, Elik, MacTavish and
probably Arnott.
5. Not much to say here.
6. I hope the Oilers are in the beginings of a Minnesota-syndrome,
while the Shars are enthusiastic about their Fresh Start.
7. The Oilers have a slight size advantage here, but I think the
Sharks have it on them in talent. Adding the better selection
of defensive forwards (Errey, Duchense, Sullivan ) and
Constantines defense-first system (ala European play), assuming
our forwards play a disciplined game within their system I
give the Sharks the nod.
8. This is probably the critical area. Our bigger but less
experienced defense should win-out if they don't make any big
mistakes. I haven't seen a published defensive pairings for
tonight, but if Sykora and Rathje play then we will have the
size (and hopefully hitting) advantage. If our young guys play
and don't make mistakes that leave Arthurs high and dry I give
this category to the Sharks. If the mistakes abound. . . .:(
9. I really like Constantine, but this is his first NHL game. Plus
that too many men on the ice during OT against Chicago sticks
in the back of my mind. Close but based solely on amount of
NHL experience nod to Edmonton.
Final conclusion (of course I'll be shown wrong), if the Sharks
don't make killer mistakes, and Ranford either isn't HOT or the
Sharks can get to him and take him out of his game the Sharks
will take this one.
just say
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 14:36 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 14:34:55 +0800
From: mre@jurassic.Eng.Sun.COM (Mike Eisler)
Subject: Sharks tickets for sale
For sale one ticket each to Sharks home games at the San Jose Arena.
Seat is on the aisle in section 213 (inside the blue line, where
Sharks shoot twice, right wing side).
Price (list) is $18 per game.
Saturday, 10/23: Vancouver at San Jose
Saturday, 10/30: Washington at San Jose
Sunday, 11/7: New Jersey at San Jose
Friday, 12/3: Winnipeg at San Jose
Thursday, 1/6: Detroit at San Jose
Saturday, 1/15: Hartford at San Jose
Monday, 1/17: Calgary at San Jose
Friday, 2/11: Chicago at San Jose
Thursday, 2/17: Quebec at San Jose
Thursday, 3/10: NY Islanders at San Jose
Saturday, 4/2: Vancouver at San Jose
Send email to email@hidden or phone 415/336-6611 if interested.
-mre
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 15:13 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1993 15:11:46 -0700
From: Richard McGowen
Subject: Re: Anyone have the Sharks
Although Mr Leetch (sp) is a fine singer, I for one would welcome more
variety.
Rich
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 15:19 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 15:03:19 PDT
From: email@hidden (Dane Collins)
Subject: Radio inside the Arena
For those interested in listening to the sharks game on the radio which
at the arena.
I spoke with KFRC today and they said that they were working on a closed-
circuit transmitter for inside the arena which would transmit on AM 620.
They will probably not have it in place for the first game, but it should be
in place soon after.
--dane
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 15:30 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 15:30:49 PDT
From: email@hidden (Gary A. Bolles)
Subject: Re: Anyone have the Sharks
Dave sez:
>> So it IS possible. I don't know how LIKELY it is for the Sharks to use
>> another person or group for the anthems, but it's worth a call to the Sharks.
As one of the people who has performed the national anthems at the Sharks
games (last half of the first season), I can vouch for the fact that it IS
possible. However it's really unlikely now unless you're somebody famous.
>> I believe Dieter is also responsible for picking the anthem singers (I
>> could be wrong, however).
Bzzzztt - you're wrong. The person who arranges this is Diane Bloom (she's
also responsible for the rest of the music before and during the game).
Diane is the Community Development and Marketing Assistant. You can phone
her direct at (408) 999-5751. Tell her I said HI!
>> As for those purists who wonder about a trombone group playing the American
>> and Canadian national anthems: an acquaintance's trombone group played both
>> anthems at a baseball game I attended a few seasons back (I think it was a
>> Giants-Expos game, but it could have been A's-Blue Jays). Don't knock it
>> 'til you've tried it!
Right you are on this one. A trombone quartet can make these tunes sound
spectacular!
Gary Bolles - 202/2/9-12
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 15:53 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 93 15:31:34 EST
From: email@hidden
Encoding: 207 Text
Subject: Pregame Predictions
Just a little pregame hype! Go SHARKS Go! Go SHARKS Go!
My prediction for the game...Sharks 4 Oilers 2
Goals by: Errey (1), Falloon (1), Baker (1), Makarov (1) (PP)
Saves: Irbe 24 shots, 22 saves
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 17:09 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 17:07:38 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: Radio inside the Arena
Yesterday, I taped an NHL preview show from ESPN2. At the end of it,
half-a-dozen ESPN guys gave their picks for the season and the Cup.
Since we had the spate of picks last week, I thought y'all might want
to see these:
Tom Stan Al Jim Gary
Clement Mees Levy Morganti Shoenfeld Thorne
Northeast Pitts. Pitts. Pitts. Pitt. -- --
Atlantic NYR NYR NYR NYR -- --
Central Detroit Chicago Detroit Detroit -- --
Pacific Vanc. Vanc. Vanc. Vanc. -- --
PLAYOFFS (* = Cup winner):
East Pitts.* Pitts.* Quebec Pitts.* Pitts.* --
West Vanc. L.A. Toronto* NYR -- NYR*
No one picked the Sharks! Well, maybe next year.
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| Ed Rush, not speaking for Metaphor, Mtn. View, CA |
| Internet: email@hidden |
| "My Macintosh doesn't go out in the rain." |
| Epicenter 117/17/11-12 |
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 22:42 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 22:40:51 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: tough loss, 3-2
Tough loss tonight. Irbe didnUt have a chance on the
game-winning goal, with Arnot standing directly in front of
him and no Shark d-man in sight. One of WeightUs two goals
in the first period was a real squeaker, with IrbeUs foot
near the post and the puck apparently going under the
skate blade. The second one, though, could have been stopped.
On the other hand, he got away with one in the second,
when he pounced on the puck but it skittered through him,
across the crease a few inches in front of the net. If
Sullivan had not been there and alert, it would have been
a cheap goal for the Oilers.
from Mercury Center:
SUMMARY: OILERS 3, SHARKS 2 10/6/93
San Jose 0..1..1--2
Edmonton 2..0..1--3
First Period--1, Edmonton, Weight 1 (Manson, Herbers), 16:20.
2, Edmonton, Weight 2 (Ciger, Vujtek), 16:50.
Penalties--Werenka, Edm (holding), 2:27; Joseph, Edm
(high-sticking), 6:24; More, SJ (tripping), 11:03; Errey, SJ
(holding), 18:41.
Second Period--3, San Jose, Garpenlov 1 (Norton, Miller),
17:18 (pp). Penalties--Errey, SJ (roughing), :55; Manson, Edm
(cross-checking), 3:10; Joseph, Edm (charging), 5:35;
San Jose bench, served by Falloon (too many men), 9:21;
Garpenlov, SJ (holding), 11:41; Joseph, Edm (cross-checking),
16:38; Pearson, Edm (roughing), 19:44.
Third Period--4, San Jose, Ozolinsh 1 (Makarov, Capuano),
5:45 (pp). 5, Edmonton, Arnott 1 (Kravchuk), 12:43 (pp).
Penalties--Buchberger, Edm (high-sticking), :45; Arnott, Edm
(unsportsmanlike conduct[mouthing off to linesman Swede
Knox]), 4:07; More, SJ (roughing), 6:18; Kroupa, SJ
(hooking), 12:18.
Shots on goal--San Jose 9-6-12--27. Edmonton 10-7-11--28.
Power-play Opportunities--San Jose 2 of 8; Edmonton 1 of 7.
[not bad, all in all Q Ed]
Goalies--San Jose, Irbe, 0-1-0 (28 shots-25 saves).
Edmonton, Ranford, 1-0-0 (27-25).
A--13,121.
Referee--Rob Shick. Linesmen--Swede Knox, Randy Mitton.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 22:51 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 22:49:45 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: attempted Sharks party Thurs (Calgary)
If there is an in-the-clear signal from Calgary Thursday night,
I will be getting it on my new satellite dish, and everyone is
invited to come over and watch it. CAVEAT: The Sharks do not
plan any Sports Channel or other coverage, and I do not know for
sure if Calgary will have a signal on the birds. If any experienced
dish users out there have some useful advice, give me a call!
SECOND CAVEAT: I will not be at work Thursday, so if you want to
contact me, do it at my home number. Speaking of which, here is
how to get here:
Whoops, I think my remote use of the mail is screwing up here.
_________________
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Cupertino \_ |
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Ed Rush, 10417 Johnson Avenue, Cupertino, CA 95014
(408)257-4288 home; (415)966-0485 work, 961-0596 fax
Internet: email@hidden
Calm down, everyone. It's only ones and zeroes!
=======================================================
There; that should do it. If you do not see the map and you want
to come over, call me at 408-257-4288 for directions.
- - Ed
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 22:53 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 22:52:00 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: tough loss, 3-2
>Tough loss tonight. Irbe didnUt have a chance on the
>game-winning goal, with Arnot standing directly in front of
>him and no Shark d-man in sight.
Arnott looks nice. Shouldn't sass the linesmen, though. From what I saw,
Capuano should have been covering him, but pinched and left Irbe hanging out
to dry. Definitely not Arturs' fault. (I think it was Capuano who was out of
position. Someone correct me if I'm wrong).
>One of WeightUs two goals
>in the first period was a real squeaker, with IrbeUs foot
>near the post and the puck apparently going under the
>skate blade. The second one, though, could have been stopped.
The first of Weight's goals was a rookie mistake by Kroupa, who got turned
around and let him past. We're going to lose these here and there as the
kids grow up.
The second was a softie. Irbe fuzzed out. If he has A problem, it's losing
concentration at the wrong time. This was another one of those. Sigh.
The two San Jose goals were things of beauty, especially the Ozolinsh.
Diving in from the middle of nowhere -- thgat's how it looks in the
playbook, folks.
There were some nerves, some hesitations, some chunky play, but I was
encouraged by how they battled back. Mostly they kept to their game and did
it pretty well. Mostly. We got about 45 good minutes of hockey out of them
tonight. Excluding the score, give it a C-.
Of course, it was Shick in black tonight. He called some real boners on both
sides. The ice, however, was mostly level.
>San Jose bench, served by Falloon (too many men), 9:21;
three straight games. C'mon, folks, this is not a good sign.
>Shots on goal--San Jose 9-6-12--27. Edmonton 10-7-11--28.
Encouraging.
>Power-play Opportunities--San Jose 2 of 8; Edmonton 1 of 7.
Also encouraging.
>A--13,121.
Note: first game of the season, first home game, 3,000ish seats short of a
sellout. And that's SOLD, not attended. It was emptier than that, I think.
There were empty seats on the glass in the corners, and all over the first
five rows.
Think maybe Pocklington has finally pissed them off enough that they're
making a staement? (of course, he'll use it as another excuse to move, but
it's not the CITY that's the problem...)
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 23:02 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 93 01:55:12 EDT
Subject: Camera found...
I was relieved when I called who had taken the camera after he noticed that
it was all alone in a seat by its' self. He is bringing it to the home
opener. Now if I can hold on to it after the sharks win the home opener.
Although it might be difficult with Kelly not here! :(
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 6 23:08 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 93 23:07:24 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Vegas odds
I forgot to mention: the Sharks did beat the Vegas line.
NHL NATIONAL HOCKEY LEAGUE
FAVORITE........ LINE........UNDERDOG
EDMONTON....1 1/2 - 2........San Jose
The Thursday line has not been posted yet.
Q Ed
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 7 00:30 PDT 1993
From: Nelson Lu
Subject: Sharks lose to Oilers 3-2
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 00:28:34 -0700 (PDT)
(Sigh; I guess the "Ranford for Vezina" anti-.sig didn't work)
We had a guest over, so (:-() I missed the second half of the second period
and the parts of the third period. If any netter can fill us in on that
time (which includes the first San Jose goal), I'd be grateful.
Wednesday, October 6, 6:30 P. M. (7:30 P. M. MDT) at the Northlands Coliseum:
Bill Ranford had an excellent game, as he stopped a number of strong San Jose
chances, stopping 25 of 27 shots overall, to help the Edmonton Oilers to an
opening night victory against the San Jose Sharks, spoiling the regular season
debut of San Jose coach Kevin Constantine. Arturs Irbe had a fairly good game
for the Sharks, stopping 25 of 28 Edmonton shots, but one soft goal in the
first period could have been the difference.
The teams played very well defensively early in the first period, and both
goalies were sharp, as the defenses protected their goalies well, and the
goalies were up to the task when challenged, Ranford turning away good chances
by Sergei Makarov and Vlastimil Kroupa early, while Irbe denied Vladimir Vujtek
on a good chance. However, the Sharks had about a minute of lapse in
concentration, and that cost them two goals late in the period, both by Doug
Weight. On the first goal, Dave Manson got a pass from Ian Herbert at center
ice, and caught Kroupa out of position by feeding a pass to Weight going on a
breakaway, and Weight skated to the left, swiping the puck into the corner of
the net just past the outstretched leg of Irbe, at 16:20. Then, at 16:50,
Weight struck again, as Zdeno Ciger got a pass from Vujtek at center ice and
went in on a 2-on-2 with Weight. Ciger got double-teamed, but managed to slip
a cross-ice pass to the unguarded Weight, who let a shot go from the left
circle past Irbe. (This one I feel Irbe should have had.) The Oilers out-shot
the Sharks 10-9 in this period.
In the second period, the Oilers out-shot the Sharks 7-6, but Johan Garpenlov
struck for a power-play goal at 17:18. Jeff Norton and Kip Miller got the
assists.
Early in the third period, the Sharks tied the game on the power-play. Dave
Capuano had the puck on the right boards, and he sent the pass in deep to
Makarov, who spoted Sandis Ozolinsh breaking in from the point, and fed him
on the goal mouth, and Ozolinsh one-timed the pass past a surprised Ranford at
3:45. This power-play came on an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty to Oilers'
Arnott, who, however, eventually redeemed himself at 12:43, on an Oilers
power-play. Igor Kravchuk intercepted a Sharks clearing pass at the left
point, and fed Arnott, who was left open on the right side of the goal, and
Arnott quickly put the puck through the legs of Irbe for the game winner. The
Sharks pulled Irbe with about half a minute left, but couldn't get any good
chances on Ranford. The Sharks out-shot the Oilers 12-11 in the period.
Tonight's three stars:
1. Bill Ranford
2. Doug Weight
3. Johan Garpenlov
Tonight's lines:
Johan Garpenlov Kip Miller Pat Falloon
Ray Whitney Dave Capuano Sergei Makarov
Bob Errey Jamie Baker Rob Gaudreau
Gaetan Duchesne Mike Sullivan
(The Duchesne-Sullivan "line" was used exclusively on penalty-killing.)
Tonight's defensive combinations: (well, sort of)
Vlastimil Kroupa Jeff Norton
Sandis Ozolinsh Doug Zmolek
Mike Lalor Jayson More
Michal Sykora
(The Kroupa/Norton and Ozolinsh/Zmolek combinations mostly stayed together,
but there was a bit of permutation with Lalor, More, and Sykora.)
Scratches: Igor Larionov (shoulder), Shawn Cronin, Mike Rathje,
Rob Zettler, David Bruce, Dale Craigwell, David Maley, Jeff Odgers.
Larionov is expected back Sunday against the Los Angeles Kings.
Notes:
1. About my impression on the newcomers:
Kip Miller: Had a solid game. Nothing spectacular, but seems to
click fairly well with Falloon and Garpenlov.
Sergei Makarov: I didn't know that he's this good at playmaking.
Other than the Ozolinsh goal, he also set up Kroupa on a
fairly good chance, and seems to want to create things, which,
however, can also be a problem if that translates into a
hesitation to shoot.
Dave Capuano: I will reserve judgement yet (didn't really see
enough of him), but he looked OK.
Bob Errey: I am not impressed, but this is the first game.
He was taking too many penalties, and I don't think he looked
that good on the defensive end, which is where he was
supposed to booster the team.
Jamie Baker: Seems to have quite a bit of tenacity.
Gaetan Duchesne: Doing a good job penalty-killing with Mike
Sullivan. It was said that he, Sullivan, and Jeff Odgers would
play on a line, but Odgers was scratched...
Vlastimil Kroupa: Great talent, but probably needs more
seasoning.
Mike Lalor: Steady, but bland. Sort of like a more experienced
version of Rob Zettler.
Michal Sykora: Didn't see him enough to evaluate him.
2. Ozolinsh seems to have totally recovered, and was up to his usual
offensive-defenseman self, without giving too much up on the defensive
side... I need to see Pat Falloon a bit more before I can say the
same thing.
3. Of course, the Sharks dressed 7 defensemen... I have a feeling that
they'd sit Kroupa and Sykora, and possibly another defenseman, to
switch in Cronin, Rathje, and Zettler tomorrow.
4. On the Oiler side, although Arnott scored the game winner, I wasn't
that impressed with him, but this is only his first NHL game. He
looked fearless, and yet seemed to be generally easily neutralized.
5. Weight, though, was a different matter. He was everywhere, and
clicking well with Ciger.
===============================================================================
GO EDMONTON OILERS! Go for playoffs! Bill Ranford for Vezina!
GO DALLAS STARS! Go for playoffs! Ulf Dahlen for Lady Byng!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (email@hidden)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 7 09:01 PDT 1993
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 08:59:51 -0800
From: email@hidden (Brian Bechtel)
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Oilers 3-2
>(Sigh; I guess the "Ranford for Vezina" anti-.sig didn't work)
>
>We had a guest over, so (:-() I missed the second half of the second period
>and the parts of the third period. If any netter can fill us in on that
>time (which includes the first San Jose goal), I'd be grateful.
>In the second period, the Oilers out-shot the Sharks 7-6, but Johan Garpenlov
>struck for a power-play goal at 17:18. Jeff Norton and Kip Miller got the
>assists.
Norton tried to pass to Garpenlov streaking down the left side. The puck
hit a defender's stick and bounced to Garpenlov. Ranford protected the net
well, leaving only a little area in high far part of the net open. Garpie
put it right there--a thing of beauty. Johan's play all night long was
very, very strong.
Arnott's game winning goal came in a sequence where Mike Sullivan got the
puck in the corner and tried to clear the zone. Kravchuk stopped the puck
just at the blue line, and saw that the Sharks had prematurely made the
transition to offense. Arnott (and another Oiler) were behind the Sharks
defense. Kravchuk sent the pass to Arnott, and Irbe was hung out to dry.
There was nothing he could do, given the circumstances.
Other comments:
* Welcome to the NHL, Vlastie. Vlastimil Kroupa had flashes of very good
play, mixed in with a lot of rookie mistakes. The first goal was his
fault; he overcommitted at the blue line and Weight blew past him. Kroupa
got called for a hook which set up Arnott's game winning goal. I kept
seeing Kroupa suprised; he'd hit someone and be surprised that they
continued to play. He seemed to me to be used to more minor-league hockey,
where the play isn't as consistent and the people make more mental errors.
* Shick called a very tight, very even game. He missed some penalties that
a NHL quality ref should make, but he's improved a lot from last year. His
style this year appears to be forcing everyone to play by the rules.
* The Sharks style is going to result in a lot of frustrated opposing
teams. I saw the Oilers try to do a lot of little cheap hits, trying to
make the Sharks loose their tempers and get penalized. Norton was
especially good at not getting dragged into penalties; an Oiler (Pearson?)
tried to start a fight, and got the box for it, while Norton stayed
penalty-free.
--Brian Bechtel email@hidden "My opinion, not Apple's"
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 7 09:15 PDT 1993
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 09:12:42 PDT
From: email@hidden (Darren Busing)
Subject: 3-2 loss
my two cents on the 3-2 loss:
1) As a dissenting opinion, I thought the 3rd goal was softer than the 2nd.
Arnott was so close that I thought Irbe could stuff him, rather than
let....such....a.....slow....shot....trickle...over....the....goalline.
Ugh. I thought Weight's second goal was simply a 20-foot rocket into
the top corner on the stick side. Didn't strike me as soft.
2) I didn't see much of the aggressive hitting that I heard about so
much from the preseason reports. In general, no one out there
(Sharks, Oilers, fans) looked that fired up. Opener jitters maybe.
3) Excellent power play! Two goals, and although the shots-on-goal
numbers weren't huge (14 shots in 8 power plays, I think), I liked
how the sharks were working for short shots and passes across the slot.
They rarely resorted to the Hail Mary blast from the point.
4) Is it just me, or did anyone else long for someone on the Sharks
to welcome Mr. Arnott to the league? 18-year-olds that get penalties
for mouthing off after getting removed from the faceoff circle need to
be taught a little humility.
See ya,
Darren
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 7 09:25 PDT 1993
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 09:07:13 PDT
From: email@hidden (Alan Hepburn)
Subject: Sharks Captain
After all the discussion about who was going to be wearing
the C this year I expected somebody to report; I guess
nobody told me it was My job! Anyway, Bob Errey wore the
C last night, while Pat Falloon wore an A. I didn't notice
who wore the other A, though.
The penalty killers sure got a workout last night! Some of
the calls were real "interesting", to say the least. But, as Chuq
mentioned, Schick did call an even game. I wonder if this has
anything to do with their CBA talks?
A new rule that wasn't real apparent last night has to do with
the TV time outs. I saw it applied Tuesday night watching Detroit
and Dallas on the dish: during the TV timeouts (4 per period) each
team must move to their respective benches. After 45 seconds the
ref will blow the whistle and the visiting team has 8 seconds to get
into position. Then the ref blows again and the home team then has
8 seconds to get into position. So next Thursday, when we see both
teams head for the benches, it's not because one team called a time
out; it's because KICU called a timeout!
---
Alan Hepburn "If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens,
National Semiconductor how incapable must Man be of learning from experience.
Santa Clara, Ca
email@hidden George Bernard Shaw
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 7 09:59 PDT 1993
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 09:58:00 -0800
From: email@hidden (Michael E. Larson)
Subject: Last night's goals against...
I felt that the second goal last night was all the fault fo the defense. A
perfectly placed shot over the stick side shoulder of a short goalie is a
pretty good percentage shot considering Irbe was also settling into
position from covering the previous puck-carrier. This goal was mostly the
fault of the defense who decided to double-team Ciger.
The game-winner I thought could have been poke checked from Arnaut's stick
with a bit of aggression.
The power-play passing was nice, but virtually every goal has to start with
a shot. I noticed that the passing was all around the perimeter. Granted
this is the high percentage pass and the way to keep control of the puck.
This is not going to score unless you: a) Take an occasional blast from the
point (hopefully with a winger breaking towards the crease) or b) try to
pass the puck into the slot somehow. I think the Sharks need a large
forward to stand in the slot and take these passes or at least screen for
shots from the point.
Didn't look like they made much of an early effort to pull the goalie at
the end of the game...
Bad bench discipline (yet another too many men...)
Now for the good points of the game:
Defense looked generally good except for the minor lapses by Kroupa (does
he sound like a creature from SuperMario world..,)
They were able to stay in the game after letting up two goals and easiliy
being able to let themselves fall out of it.
Good discipline in respect to taking some abuse to earn the team a 2 minute
advantage.
Sorry, I am better at pointing out the bad than the good.
-Larson
Michael E. Larson email@hidden
Apple Computer, Inc. AppleLink: LARSON
20525 Mariani Ave. MS 75-6H
Cupertino, CA 95014 (408) 862-4800
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 7 10:12 PDT 1993
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 10:08:20 PDT
From: email@hidden (Frank Remeneski)
Subject: Re: 3-2 loss
Darren,
I somewhat disagree with your point on the third goal.
If you remember Arnott was in front of one of the Sharks defenders
when the puck came to him. Granted it was a really weak shot
but he wasn't tied up at all. This is a problem that has
plagued the Sharks on defense. If anything I think Irbe
had a better chance of stopping the second goal.
Point on the defense: When the two defenders took on the man
with the puck and let the trailer just walk in. I also noticed
that Whitney was behind the trailer and made no effort at all
to try and take him out. Another point, what the hell is
Whitney doing out on the power play! I must agree that the
power play looked much better, nice crisp passes good movement of
the puck. I'm hoping they can overcome this loss and get the
jitters out soon.
Frank
}From email@hidden Thu Oct 7 09:40:17 1993
}Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 09:12:42 PDT
}From: email@hidden (Darren Busing)
}To: email@hidden
}Subject: 3-2 loss
}Sender: email@hidden
}Content-Length: 1190
}
}my two cents on the 3-2 loss:
} 1) As a dissenting opinion, I thought the 3rd goal was softer than the 2nd.
} Arnott was so close that I thought Irbe could stuff him, rather than
} let....such....a.....slow....shot....trickle...over....the....goalline.
} Ugh. I thought Weight's second goal was simply a 20-foot rocket into
} the top corner on the stick side. Didn't strike me as soft.
} 2) I didn't see much of the aggressive hitting that I heard about so
} much from the preseason reports. In general, no one out there
} (Sharks, Oilers, fans) looked that fired up. Opener jitters maybe.
} 3) Excellent power play! Two goals, and although the shots-on-goal
} numbers weren't huge (14 shots in 8 power plays, I think), I liked
} how the sharks were working for short shots and passes across the slot.
} They rarely resorted to the Hail Mary blast from the point.
} 4) Is it just me, or did anyone else long for someone on the Sharks
} to welcome Mr. Arnott to the league? 18-year-olds that get penalties
} for mouthing off after getting removed from the faceoff circle need to
} be taught a little humility.
}See ya,
} Darren
}
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 7 10:48 PDT 1993
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 10:45:55 -0700
From: Richard McGowen
Subject: Re: Sharks Captain
>A new rule that wasn't real apparent last night has to do with
>the TV time outs. I saw it applied Tuesday night watching Detroit
>and Dallas on the dish: during the TV timeouts (4 per period) each
>team must move to their respective benches. After 45 seconds the
>ref will blow the whistle and the visiting team has 8 seconds to get
>into position. Then the ref blows again and the home team then has
>8 seconds to get into position. So next Thursday, when we see both
>teams head for the benches, it's not because one team called a time
>out; it's because KICU called a timeout!
Is it just me or is anyone else annoyed by this. I find it frustrating
to pay $XXX to go see a game live and then have the play interrupted by
an outside force. It harms the flow of the game and even has the
potential of changing the outcome. I love that hockey is being
televised, however, I don't feel that it should interfere with the game
itself. TV timeouts allow players to rest, allow strategies to be planned,
interrupt the flow of the game for those who paid good money to see it
live, and, force those at home to watch a bunch of stupid commercials.
Bleah.
Rich
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 7 11:01 PDT 1993
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 10:55:51 PDT
From: kahului!email@hidden (Douglas J Whisler)
Subject: Re: 3-2 loss
> From: email@hidden (Darren Busing)
> To: email@hidden
> Subject: 3-2 loss
>
> 1) As a dissenting opinion, I thought the 3rd goal was softer than the 2nd.
> Arnott was so close that I thought Irbe could stuff him, rather than
> let....such....a.....slow....shot....trickle...over....the....goalline.
It was a nice goal-scorer's goal. Irbe committed by charging the puck with
his stick to poke check it, and Arnott beat the poke check. Why was he alone?
Closest Shark wasn't a defenseman, either. Bet they're spending time today
on being sure there's at least 1 D back until the zone is clear.
> Ugh. I thought Weight's second goal was simply a 20-foot rocket into
> the top corner on the stick side. Didn't strike me as soft.
C'mon, am I the only one who saw that it hit the pipe and went in? (Hey, I
can do that once every other season, at least!!) Nice shooting. Only
nicer goal this game was I think Garpy's, which was banked off the post
*and* the crossbar into the back of the net.
Topic: Kisio. I haven't seen it mentioned here yet, so: today's Times
reports Kisio out 1-2wk with fractured kneecap. Not expected to play
today or next Thursday.
- DW
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 7 12:53 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Bruce McKenzie)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 12:42:29 -0700
Subject: Re: Last night's goals against...
> The power-play passing was nice, but virtually every goal has to start with
> a shot. I noticed that the passing was all around the perimeter. Granted
> this is the high percentage pass and the way to keep control of the puck.
Amen!
> This is not going to score unless you: a) Take an occasional blast from the
> point (hopefully with a winger breaking towards the crease) or b) try to
> pass the puck into the slot somehow. I think the Sharks need a large
> forward to stand in the slot and take these passes or at least screen for
> shots from the point.
Odgers is relatively immobile. Craigwell worms his way in to place. Sandis
"surprises" people by coming in.
You also need good passers to get the puck in to those people. Makarov was fun to
watch as he did this.
> Didn't look like they made much of an early effort to pull the goalie at
> the end of the game...
How different from the last two years.
>Bad bench discipline (yet another too many men...)
I have heard that this is "always" the fault of the coach. Can someone who knows more
( ;-) offer a perspective?
On another point:
I disagree with having Falloon wear the A. He is definitely skilled at hockey, but I
haven't seen/heard any leadership skills. More often, I see flashes of independent
brilliance. I would recommend Gaudreau above Pat. In either case, they seem very
young to have earned the respect of the other players. Have they?
---
Bruce McKenzie (email@hidden, NeXTMail OK)
"So..happy..ironing..for..my..friend..Stimpy!"
PDH Inc. 2635 N. First St. Ste 224, San Jose, CA 95134
voice: 408/428-9596, fax: 408/428-9599
Epicenter: Section 127, Row 22, Seats 13-14
* Opinions expressed are those of my own twisted mind, not my employer's *
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 7 13:37 PDT 1993
From: Nelson Lu
Subject: Re: Last night's goals against...
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 13:36:25 -0700 (PDT)
> Defense looked generally good except for the minor lapses by Kroupa (does
> he sound like a creature from SuperMario world..,)
And really, I think that he needs some seasoning. I mean, he had only 8
games of experience in the top division of the Czech-Slovak league, which
is probably around the level of the IHL...
Great shot, though.
I would guess that Constantine would play Mike Rathje tonight, so we'll get
a chance to see how he does.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 7 13:56 PDT 1993
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 13:53:24 PDT
From: email@hidden (Darren Busing)
Subject: jackets for season ticket holders
howdy,
i and my wife were eligible for one of the jackets that went to
season-ticket holders who got their money in early. the sharks' office
says that all these items went out two months ago, and they verified
my eligibility, but i never got the jacket.
i know there was a lot of talk on this list about who was and wasn't
eligible for the gifts. is there anyone else who was eligible who
never got theirs? the person i talked to, annie, is going to put
a tracer of the shipment, which will take two weeks.
soon to be very cold and frustrated,
dareen
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 7 14:01 PDT 1993
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 13:57:55 PDT
From: Laurie Sefton
Subject: Re: jackets for season ticket holders
I'd like to know about this, since I'm still waiting for a jersey to show.
This seems to be more than just a few people (or this is a very unlucky
group) who are missing their "pay up early" bonuses. A listing of people
to show to Matt Levine might grab their attention.
Laurie
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 7 17:43 PDT 1993
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1993 17:42:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: email@hidden
Subject: intro/loads of questions
Hey people,
My name's Chris Freud. I'm a college student in the LA area, but a native
San Franciscan. My life roatates around the Giants and the niners. I know
very little about hockey, but I'd like to start. I've been to a few games
at the cow palace over the last two years. The extent of my hockey knowledge
is pretty much Gretzky Lemieux, Messier etc. (the big stars).
So with that in mind, I was wondering if someone could a) give me a generic
briefing on the Sharks as they stand at the beginning of the season. I know,
obviously as they're only two years old, the Sharks need some help, but are
their any areas where they show some promise? and b)send or post a schedule?
(Southern California only has Kings and Mighty Ducks info.)
Thanks much.
In orange, teal and black we trust,
Chris Freud
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 7 18:03 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Mark Spiegel)
Subject: Last Nite's Game
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 18:01:40 PDT
Seems to me the Sharks gave the game to Edmonton with their
defensive mistakes.
1st goal I had thought Kroupa simply let Weight
get behind him, after reading this morning's paper
Grillo said Kroupa made a good try to intercept a
pass to Weight and the puck jumped over Kroupa's
stick.
OK, I'll trade the Weight goal for the Garpenlov
goal we got that similarly bounced over an Oiler
stick.
The second goal Zmolek clearly left his wing and
the man coming down it (Weight) to help out
Ozolinsh (who seemed to have the Oiler with the
puck covered) and left Weight open for a pass
and clean shot at Irbe. Irbe probably should
have stopped it, but he's let shots like this
in before, and the defense really shouldn't
have let it happen.
The game winning goal Arnott was left alone
in front by the defense (was it also partly
Arnott's laziness in not heading back to his zone?))
and Sullivan and Errey were left to scramble
back and try and stop him. Didn't see a
defenseman anywhere near Arnott.
Zmolek almost gave Edm another goal when he
left Corson slip through for a breakaway after
Sandis' goal, luckily Arturs stopped it.
Power Play. Although both Sharks goals were power play
goals, it seemed neither was a direct result of the
planned Sharks power play. All night the Sharks wasted
time passing the puck around the periphery, and then
down the right wing to try to get a quick pass across
the slot to Falloon. The power play has to develop
more dimension, the plan is fine but not if that is
all we do. The Sharks need to take some one-timers (slap
shots directly off the pass) to keep the opposition
honest. Otherwise it's like always running or always
passing in football. ..the defense knows what you're
going to do and can set up for it. Sandis' goal
looked like impromptu play on his part since I
that was the only time I remember a defenseman
coming down the slot for a pass. Hopefully Constantine
will add this to the repertoire.
Penalty Killing. It looked good in that it kept the Oilers
from taking any good shots from the point or elsewhere.
Errey et al put good pressure on the Oiler pointmen all
night. Of course given the Oiler PP it wasn't much of
a test. . . .Roberts, Fleuryy and MacInnis will give
it a good test tonight.
While the final outcome was depressing, but the way the Sharks
came back down 2 zip was great. Oh well, time to hit the
road and punch in 610AM (yuk, first two years of "ALL
My Exs are in Texas" now this :( )
mark
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 7 18:19 PDT 1993
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 18:17:39 +0800
From: email@hidden (Mike Eisler)
Subject: Re: Last night's goals against...
> From email@hidden Thu Oct 7 17:31 PDT 1993
> From: email@hidden (Bruce McKenzie)
> I disagree with having Falloon wear the A. He is definitely skilled at hockey, but I
> haven't seen/heard any leadership skills. More often, I see flashes of independent
> brilliance. I would recommend Gaudreau above Pat. In either case, they seem very
> young to have earned the respect of the other players. Have they?
Well we have the youngest coach in the league, and maybe it's his way
of sending a message to his players in case any of them think he hasn't
paid enough dues. Certainly a younger player is going to identify with
that. Assuming the A is permanent and not something just for the road
trip, let's give Pat a chance to rise to occasion. Trevor Linden got
the captaincy in Vancouver when he was about as young.
-mre
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 7 19:19 PDT 1993
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 93 17:59:25 PDT
From: email@hidden (Rob Eccles)
Subject: Re: jackets for season ticket holders
> From: eng.amdahl.com!email@hidden (Darren Busing)
> i and my wife were eligible for one of the jackets that went to
> season-ticket holders who got their money in early. the sharks' office
> says that all these items went out two months ago, and they verified
> my eligibility, but i never got the jacket.
> i know there was a lot of talk on this list about who was and wasn't
> eligible for the gifts. is there anyone else who was eligible who
> never got theirs? the person i talked to, annie, is going to put
> a tracer of the shipment, which will take two weeks.
>
Well, I am waiting on the jersey. I was told that the delay on
the jerseys is that it is taking a while to get them all autographed.
I was told that sometime this month, they should have shipped them
all.
All other items should have been received. If you are in this category
you should call Annie at 999-5764.
This is for season ticket holders who 1) bought 2 or more seats worth,
2) paid before the early deadline, and 3) sent in the form with the
payment as I understand it.
Good luck!
Rob
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 7 23:25 PDT 1993
From: Nelson Lu
Subject: Sharks lose to Flames 6-2
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1993 23:23:56 -0700 (PDT)
Thursday, October 6, 6:30 P. M. (7:30 P. M. MDT) at the Olympic Saddledome:
The Sharks probably out-played the team which they defeated for their first
victories of the past two seasons, in two of the three periods. Unfortunately,
the game is a sum of three periods, and in the one period that the Flames
out-played the Sharks, they OUT-PLAYED the Sharks, as the Flames struck for 6
goals in the second period and cruised to an easy 6-2 victory. Mike Vernon
picked up the victory, stopping 16 of 18 San Jose shots. Jimmy Waite, who had
a fairly bad game, stopped just 18 of 24 Calgary shots.
The first period was characterized by strong defense on both sides, and Vernon
was very impressive in goal, making several good stops, although he just faced
5 shots. Waite was quite solid, stopping 6, as neither team really had an
offensive onslaught, but the Sharks probably had the better chances,
particularly the Garpenlov-Miller-Falloon line. Late in the period, referee
Rob Shick got hit in the ribs by a clearing pass (from Al MacInnis?), and left
the game. He was replaced by alternate Richard Trottier.
The second period would prove to be the killer for the Sharks, as the Flames
out-shot the Sharks 12-6 and got 6 goals, thanks to the shakiness of Waite.
The Flames struck first on the power-play at 3:21. Joe Nieuwendyk got a pass
from MacInnis at center ice, and entered the Sharks zone on a semi-breakaway,
and, as Waite came out to challenge him, he aimed and shot the puck past Waite.
Gary Suter also got an assist. The Sharks tied the game at 4:35. Taking
advantage of a collision between two Flames in the Sharks zone, Johan Garpenlov
took the puck and sent it up ice to Pat Falloon, who went on a 2-on-2 with Jeff
Norton, sliding the pass to Norton and then getting the puck back from him,
wristing it past Vernon with a wicked shot. However, that would prove to be
the last cheer for the Sharks for a long time. Theoren Fleury broke the tie at
5:45, as he stole the puck from Falloon at center ice, sent the puck to Robert
Reichel, and then got the pass back from Reichel, rocketing the shot past
Waite. The Flames then struck for three similar goals. Michel Petit struck
first, as Joel Otto won a faceoff in the Sharks zone, and Petit drilled the
shot past Waite at 6:44. A similar play happened at 8:29, as MacInnis drove
the puck past Waite off the face-off, with assists to Otto and Ted Drury.
Later on, Wes Walz won a face-off in the Sharks zone, and Petit drove the puck,
which bounded off the stick of Ronnie Stern and past Waite, at 14:32. Reichel
closed the Flames' scoring at 19:02, as Fleury took the puck at center ice,
entered the zone with Reichel on a 2-on-2, and sent the puck across to an
unguraded Reichel, who rocketed the puck past Waite.
The Sharks out-shot the Flames 7-6 in the final period, but were unable to
get more than one goal, which was sort of fluky anyway. Norton took the puck
at center ice, and entered the zone with Falloon, sliding the puck to him,
and Falloon let go a not-that-strong shot that eluded Vernon and went into the
net at 9:40.
Tonight's three stars:
1. Al MacInnis
2. Joe Nieuwendyk
3. Joel Otto
Tonight's lines:
Bob Errey Jamie Baker Rob Gaudreau
Johan Garpenlov Kip Miller Pat Falloon
Ray Whitney Dave Capuano Sergei Makarov
Gaetan Duchesne Mike Sullivan
Tonight's defensive pairings:
Mike Lalor Jayson More
Sandis Ozolinsh Doug Zmolek
Jeff Norton Vlastimil Kroupa
Michal Sykora
(The Ozolinsh/Zmolek combo stayed together all night, but the others were more
scrambled.)
Scratches: Igor Larionov (shoulder), Shawn Cronin, Mike Rathje,
Rob Zettler, David Bruce, Dale Craigwell, David Maley, Jeff Odgers.
Notes:
1. Kevin Constantine went with the exact same 18 from last night. I
would not have, but then, I am not the coach. (After all, if you're
still in a period of evaluation, why not play the guys who had a night
off last night?)
2. Waite played very, very poorly. The goals off the face-offs were
simply depressing.
3. Other than Falloon, Norton, and perhaps Sergei Makarov, very few
Sharks had any resemblance to a good game at all. I was particularly
disappointed with Sandis Ozolinsh, who was out of position on the
Reichel goal. (He did break up a 2-on-1 well later on, though)
4. One thing that I didn't mention last night: these were pretty much
the power-play units used last night and tonight:
First unit:
Garpenlov Miller Falloon
Kroupa Norton
Second unit:
Whitney Capuano Makarov
Gaudreau Ozolinsh
5. While I am not sure who had the honors tonight, last night Bob Errey
was the acting captain. (The players are expected to elect a captain
this week.) Falloon and Mike Lalor were the alternates.
===============================================================================
GO EDMONTON OILERS! Go for playoffs! Bill Ranford for Vezina!
GO DALLAS STARS! Go for playoffs! Ulf Dahlen for Lady Byng!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (email@hidden)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 8 09:39 PDT 1993
From: "Jeffrey T. Johnson"
Subject: Re: jackets for season ticket holders
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 9:37:34 PDT
>
>
> I'd like to know about this, since I'm still waiting for a jersey to show.
> This seems to be more than just a few people (or this is a very unlucky
> group) who are missing their "pay up early" bonuses. A listing of people
> to show to Matt Levine might grab their attention.
>
> Laurie
>
Rich Muschell gave me the number of his assistant, Annie Chan [408/999-5764],
to call regarding my jacket, but a message left on her voicemail on Monday
still hasn't been returned. I'll probably try again this afternoon. You
might want to give her a call also.
And yes, last year when I never received my credentials, it finally took a fax
to Levine to get some action.
/jeff
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 8 10:31 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 10:29:58 PDT
From: Laurie Sefton
Subject: last night's broadcast
Last night's radio broadcast was proof that Stemkowski should not pursue a
career in radio color work. Without the visuals, his descriptions are pretty
weak, and his grammar is ugly. I'll put up with a lot, but I do like
sentences to have a recognizable verb and subject. It's even better when
they match.
By the seond period, Rusanowsky's level of play-by-play dropped to match
Stemkowski's. Make me wonder if a fridge keg of Stampede Ale managed to make
it up to the broadcast booth. BTW, I've noticed that Rusanowksy's
description of the game doesn't always match reality anyway--a few times
with the radio feed for audio and the television for visuals made for quite
a learning experience.
For example--in the first period when the both started commenting on Jimmy
Waite's style, Stemkowski stated that it was due to Waite's being nervous.
Rusanowsky chimed in with affirmation on that. Well, if either of them had
watched Waite over the past few years, or even bothered to watch him in the
scrimmages and pre-season, they would have realized the "out of the net,
sending rebounds to center ice" is Waite's style.
What really bothered me is that they started ragging on the guy even before
the second period--Stemkowski especially. It makes me suspect that there is
more to his dislike of Waite than he's offering up
(Yeah, Waite really blew it in the second period. He's going to have to
realize that until Constantine beats it into them, the defense takes off for
the planet Mongo at various times during the game. He's going to have to
play closer to the goal, and not expect the defense to intercept the puck at
faceoffs.)
Laurie
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 8 16:04 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 16:01:21 -0700
From: email@hidden (Jim Liskovec)
Subject: Tix4sale - Going,Going
Have tickets for two remaining games in Oct/Nov
Day Date Opponent Tickets
Tue Oct26 Edmonton 2
Tue Nov 9 Toronto 2
$56/pair - in the Shark attack zone for two periods.
Balcony sectio 214, row 8, arena side opposite the
benches. (415)969-5542 Jim
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 8 17:30 PDT 1993
Date: 8 Oct 1993 17:30:44 -0800
From: "Daniel Morris"
Subject: Re- jackets for season ti
Re: jackets for season ticket holders
> From: Laurie Sefton
> Subject: Re: jackets for season ticket holders
> I'd like to know about this, since I'm still waiting for a jersey to show.
> This seems to be more than just a few people (or this is a very unlucky
> group) who are missing their "pay up early" bonuses. A listing of people
> to show to Matt Levine might grab their attention.
>> Laurie
You can add my name to the list, still waiting for my jersey, signed by Arturs
Irbe. I have been hesitant to call considering the crunch of other "start of
season" business which must have buried the front office in work. Thought it
could wait. But if they were all sent out a while ago, maybe I better start
the trace business now.
Laurie, could you help track the count and get back to us. A call for you
representing us all might be more effective and not wear out the staff.
Thanks in advance,
dan
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 8 18:35 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 93 18:32:35 PDT
From: email@hidden (Darren Busing)
Subject: jersey/jacket confusion
Apparently there's some confusion about jackets vs. jerseys being given
out by the sharks. If memory serves, the signed jerseys go to the
holders of the higher-priced tickets. The simple jackets go to the
relative cheapskates, such as myself.
Both are valid issues, but there's the important difference that the sharks
don't claim to have sent out all (if any) of the jerseys. They do say
that all of the jackets and tote bags (that was my other choice) went out
two months ago. I'm particularly curious to know if anyone else has lost out
on a jacket or tote bag, since my problem may result in a complaint against
the carrier, which I assume is the post office. If more than one has been
lost, it would help my case.
Those waiting for jerseys are in better shape, the sharks simply admit
they're late. I guess with all of the roster fallout, they had to wait
until they knew who was going to stick.
--Darren.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sat Oct 9 13:58 PDT 1993
From: Richard D Bremer
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 93 10:31:11 -0800
Subject: Brian Hayward's new job
So I'm tuned in to the first-ever Anaheim Muscular Water Fowl game, and
guess who's doing the color commentary--Brian Hayward!
The GOOD news is that he wasn't nearly as bad as the play-by-play man (who
got so excited he started screaming whenever someone took a shot from the
point, but that's another story...). The bad news...well, he's new. I'll
give him a few more weeks.
Another Ducks note--were we really EVER as bad as they looked last night?
Given that our record hasn't been too impressive yet, looking at our games
now versus two years ago, I bet there's a huge difference in the quality
of play. I don't know myself, I'm stuck down here in LA. But I'd be willing
to bet it is.
/----------------------------------------------------------------------\
| Rich Bremer | Humm-Baby! Go Giants in '94! |
| University of California | Chomp! Go Sharks whenever! |
| Riverside email@hidden | Go Sydney Fighting Echidnas! |
\----------------------------------------------------------------------/
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sat Oct 9 17:58 PDT 1993
From: Brian Bechtel
Subject: Re: Brian Hayward's new job
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 93 17:49:00 PDT
[This is a very long article, mostly about the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim
and their Arena versus the San Jose Sharks and their Arena. If you
aren't interested in the comparisons, skip this article.]
'Richard D Bremer' wrote:
> Another Ducks note--were we really EVER as bad as they looked last
> night?
Through the good graces of my brothers, who are season ticket holders
for the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim, I got to sit 17 rows up, directly
behind the goal where the Ducks attack twice. [i.e. I didn't see much
action near me for the first and third periods :-)] Great seats, $32
each. I believe equivalent seats at the Epicenter are $55. I went with
my father, one brother, and a brother-in-law.
The Arrowhead Arena of Anaheim is, IMHO, a better architected facility
than the San Jose Arena. Anaheim's stadium cost less to build. From
the outside, it seems taller, with a color scheme of green and pink
common to modern Southern California architecture. They do not have
adequate parking, but have many more spaces than the San Jose Arena.
Overflow parking is at the stadium used by the California Angels, about
a mile away, with free shuttle buses. Onsite parking is $6.00.
Inside, you realize that the building is MUCH taller than the San Jose
Arena. This actually lends a feeling of being in a deep bowl, with
people on the upper level almost overhanging the ice. (They aren't, of
course--the seating is similar to the San Jose Arena, minus the extra
row of "luxury boxes" at the top of the arena.) Capacity is 17,124.
The sound system is almost painfully loud. Those who attended the
first preseason game at the San Jose Arena and got there early will
remember that our announcer accidentally said his first few words at
almost an ear-shattering volume--Anaheim thought that volume was just
fine for regular use. My father plans to bring earplugs for future
games.
The video system on the scoreboard was excellent. The Ducks have a
couple of crowd-pleasing cartoons, one of a muscular duck-masked goalie
stopping a series of pucks, culminating in the last puck being caught
in the mouth, ground up, and spit out. The other cartoon was of a
formation of puck-carrying ducks bombarding an intimidating-looking
opposing goalie into chaos and destruction. Both cartoons are the kinds
of things you'd expect Disney to do; very high quality, very
entertaining.
The opening ceremony was loud, pyrotechnic, and fun. They introduced a
set of skating women, the Decoys, who do ice dances. The 8 Decoys had
four male counterparts who appeared only some of the time. The Decoys
also participated in between-period entertainment, and clearly are
intended to be similar to the Laker girls, with much less emphasis on
the sex. Their costumes were pretty standard leotards with a tiny back
skirt; good looking, but not particularly emphasising sexuality, as
you'd expect from Disney.
The as-yet-unnamed mascot was brought down from on high via a wire
harness. The crowd liked him. Another "entertainer" called the Iceman
was used to try and pump up the crowd. This was a man with silver
facepaint, silver jacket and pants, and an electric guitar. The Iceman
was initially received well by the crowd, but continued to try to pump
the crowd during the game, coming into the stands and trying to do
inane things like start the Wave, start a sing-along, etc. By the
middle of the second period, the crowd was booing him. He came out
onto the ice between the second and third periods with the Decoys, and
his performance stank. The crowd finally booed him off the ice, but
cheered the mascot who followed him. My brother's comment was, "The
Iceman Melteth." I don't think he'll be back.
The Anaheim Arena has two Zambonis cleaning the ice at the same time, so
that they can spend more time doing on-ice entertainment bewteen
periods. Simple Green (a cleansing solution) sponsors the Zambonis, and
has their name all over them.
The Anaheim Arena apparently has even better bathroom facilities for
women than the San Jose Arena. San Jose has made a big deal about
convertible bathrooms, but I noticed lines at the preseason game.
Anaheim never had lines for the women's bathrooms, and the women in my
family who have been there for preseason commented on the good
availabilty of facilities. The Men's facilites were better at San Jose.
Food seemed about the same. Both Arenas offer a wide variety of foods
beyond the usual, and at prices beyond the usual. Two hot dogs and two
beers o' the day would cost $14.50 at Anaheim. I didn't see any
specialty beers. Both Arenas had plenty of food concessions, with
adequate coverage so you didn't have to wait in too long a line.
Opening night, people were buying anything that stood still. All the
t-shirt & button concessions were stacked at least six deep with people
with glazed looks in their eyes and large denomination bills in their
hands. People would come to the front of the crowd and order stuff
like it was candy. I bought two commerative pins and a t-shirt, and I
was the smallest purchase I saw. Most people spent at least $100 on
"stuff." As befits the greater L.A. area, you saw many people in
incredably expensive custom-look Ducks leather jackets. The Might
Ducks are a money-making machine. The newspapers reported that the
Ducks have already sold
* more merchandise (before they even played their first game) than the
Sharks sold in their entire first year.
* one half million jerseys. Jerseys go for $80 or $180, depending upon
quality.
* 12,500 season tickets (or more than the Sharks.)
The crowd seemed about like a Sharks crowd the first season. It was a
mixture of east coast expatriates and SoCal newbies, with the social
"must make the opening" crowd thrown in for good measure. They
appreciated the efforts of their team. They seemed more laid-back at
cheering than most Sharks crowds; it will be interesting to see how they
sound at mid-season when the Ducks have won a (very) few games.
The Ducks themselves reminded me strongly of the Sharks of 91. The same
over-pursuit of the puck, the same passes to the opposing team, the same
bunching up behind the net... They have some good folks, and a lot of
minor-leaguers or marginal NHLers. Opening against the Red Wings was a
sin of scheduling. Detroit gave the Might Ducks a skating lesson most
of the night. The final score was 7-2, and Detroit was cruising for
most of the game. The Ducks should have opened against Edmonton, or the
Islanders, or some other lesser foe.
Goalie Guy Hebert looked okay, with flashes of brilliance. He'll have
a long season ahead of him. Defensemen Sean Hill and Bill Houlder both
looked good. Bill Houlder looked especially good, mostly being in the
right place at the right time. No one stood out on offense--Terry Yake
seemed lonely out there (and well covered) and most of the rest of the
Ducks were pylons. Sean Hill scored the first Ducks goal. Stu Grimson
got into a fight with the Red Wings' Bob Probert, and I'd
give the edge to Stu, but barely.
I'd have to guess that part of the Ducks play was opening night wacko,
and part was expansion team blues. The Ducks looked like they will be
somewhat competitive with the bottom-half teams of the NHL, and will
provide good entertainment when they come to our house.
Leaving after the game was long and involved. They routed our car away
from the close-in freeway onramp, and through a maze of city streets to
the next onramp. We waited in long traffic jams. San Jose's Arena is
much easier to get into and out of. The traffic designers of San Jose's
location did the right thing. Scattering people towards downtown means
fewer lines of cars.
So, overall, I'd say the pluses for Anaheim are
* Disney marketing ensures that this team will be practically minting
money. If Eisner decides to use some of those bucks on the free
agency market, the Ducks will get better fast.
* The Arena is a worthy addition to the NHL.
* The Ducks provide another reason not to travel to Winnipeg six times a
year. :-)
* cheaper seats for equivalent sight-lines.
The pluses for the Sharks are
* Our team looked slightly better offensively our first year (but this
is based on one game, and could easily be wrong.)
* Our Arena has better traffic patterns.
The Ducks can't be taken lightly. I think they could easily beat the
Sharks on a off night. We have the makings of another fine rivalry
here...
--Brian Bechtel email@hidden "My opinion, not Apple's"
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sat Oct 9 21:24 PDT 1993
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1993 21:15:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: email@hidden
Subject: Brain Heyward/ "Mighty Ducks"
I caught the ducks opener on the tube down here and was just flabbergasted.
They wired the duck down from the ceiling to the ice to the Orf's Carmina
Burana. Give me a break! O Fortuna... QUACK. Kinda makes you happy to be
a sharks fan.
In orange, black and teal we trust,
Chris Freud
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sun Oct 10 12:25 PDT 1993
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 93 12:16:22 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Las Vegas Thunder schedule
I promised this to some folks. Sorry it took this long. (I was also asked
for the Roadrunner and Gull info. Those were posted in r.s.h a while back,
and I forwarded a copy of them to this list. Didn't I? )
You can charge tickets ahead of time by calling 702-474-4000. Play is in the
Thomas & Mack center, 4505 S. Maryland Parkway, Las Vegas NV 89119. Team
phone number is 702-798-7825 (PUCK). Box $15, Loge $12, View $9.
Mailing address: Las Vegas Thunder Hockey Club, Box 70065, Las Vegas, NV,
89170-0065.
Radio: KORK 920 for all games
All games 7:05 except Sunday games @ 6:05, unless noted.
October:
8 @ Salt Lake
9 @ Salt Lake
15 Atlanta
17 Atlanta
23 Fort Worth
24 Fort Worth
26 @ San Diego
27 San Diego
30 Milwaukee
31 Milwaukee
November
1 @ Salt Lake
5 Salt Lake
6 Salt Lake
12 @Peoria
13 @Milwaukee
19 Phoenix
20 @Phoenix
23 Kalamazoo
24 Kalamazoo
26 Phoenix
December
3 @ Cleveland
4 @ Cleveland
5 @ Fort Worth
10 @ Atlanta
11 @ Atlanta
15 @ Kansas City
17 @ Salt Lake
18 @ PHoenix
19 San Diego
22 San Diego
29 Milwaukee
31 Milwaukee (6:05)
January 1994
2 Phoenix
7 Kansas City
8 Kansas City
9 @ Milwaukee
12 @ Milwakee
14 Phoenix
15 @ Phoenix
21 Salt Lake
22 @ Salt Lake
23 San Diego
26 (all star game, fort wayne)
26 Salt Lake
29 @ Salt Lake
February
1 @ Cincinatti
4 @ Indianapolis
5 @ Indianapolis
6 @ Peoria
9 Peoria
11 Centra Red Army (exhibition)
13 Peoria
17 @ Phoenix
18 Phoenix
20 Atlanta
23 Atlanta
24 @ Phoenix
25 Salt Lake
27 Atlanta
March
4 Cincinatti
5 Cincinatti
6 @ Kansas City
9 @ fort worth
11 @ Cincinatti
12 @ Atlanta
13 @ Atlanta
16 @ San Diego
18 San Diego
19 @ San Diego
20 Cleveland
23 Cleveland
26 Kansas City
27 Kansas City
30 @ Kansas City
April
1 @ Kansas City
2 Indianapolis
3 Indianapolis
6 @ Milwaukee
8 @ Kalamazoo
9 @ Kalamazoo
12 @ Atlanta
end of season
(whew. Some gnarly travel in there).
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sun Oct 10 12:26 PDT 1993
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 93 12:17:28 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Dale Craigwell
Haven't seen this reported. Craigwell has been sent to Kansas City.
Also, a quick note from Lombardi, who was quoted in the paper as saying he
was watching the waiver wire, but that nothing showed up worth pursuing. In
his words "if he doesn't crack the top ten of our lineup, it's not worth it."
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sun Oct 10 12:40 PDT 1993
From: Frank Giraffe
Subject: speaking of zambonis...
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1993 12:30:37 -0700
Apologies if this was covered during the pre-season, but are the sharks
going to keep the obnoxious "Miller Gen-U-Whine Draft" zamboni all year?
The least they should do is paint some teal on that sucker, or bring back
the fin! :-)
-Frank
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sun Oct 10 14:42 PDT 1993
From: Richard D Bremer
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 93 14:32:50 -0800
Subject: Sunday's game in LA
Don't know if anyone will get this in time, but if there's anyone on this
list in the LA area that wants to go to tonight's (Sunday) game at the Forum
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sun Oct 10 14:51 PDT 1993
From: Richard D Bremer
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 93 14:42:06 -0800
Subject: Anyone in LA area want to see Sharks tonight?
Don't know if anyone will get this in time, but if there's anyone in the
LA area that wants to see tonight's game at the Forum (SJ vs LA--see the
Sharks first win of '93!), I have an extra ticket. Everyone I know got sick
or has to work or something :(. It's a good $19 seat (part of a friend's
season ticket plan), but if you can make it I could knock a few bucks
off I suppose.
If you can go, give me a call at (909) 274-9198 (ask for Rich). We'll make
arrangements on where to meet.
Thanks.
/----------------------------------------------------------------------\
| Rich Bremer | Humm-Baby! Go Giants in '94! |
| University of California | Chomp! Go Sharks whenever! |
| Riverside email@hidden | Go Sydney Fighting Echidnas! |
\----------------------------------------------------------------------/
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sun Oct 10 15:27 PDT 1993
From: Nelson Lu
Subject: tonight's game
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1993 15:17:48 -0700 (PDT)
I will most likely be able to watch it and file a game report.
However, there is a slight chance that I will not. Can someone volunteer
to backup if I can't do it?
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sun Oct 10 18:37 PDT 1993
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 93 18:35:30 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: Brian Hayward's new job
> So I'm tuned in to the first-ever Anaheim Muscular Water Fowl game, and
> guess who's doing the color commentary--Brian Hayward!
That's odd, because I thought I heard the ESPN2 commentators say that
Brian Hayward was the Ducks' goalie coach.
> Another Ducks note--were we really EVER as bad as they looked last night?
Yes.
Actually, I thought the Ducks looked pretty good (at times) for a
first-year team -- especially their goalie, Guy Hebert (pronounced
Frensh-style). Not as good as the 1-1-1 (!) Panthers of Miami
with Beezer in goal, but promising.
The commentators noted one thing that also bothered me: the "battle"
between the two sides of Disney, the hockey division and the entertainment
division. The latter has GOT to go. I don't know which is worse, the
high-school-style cheerleaders in the aisles, or the skating girls (Decoys)
in the intermission (whom I would call treacly except for the extremely
tacky black bra cups adorning their skimpy outfits).
The hanging duck with the red eyes, though, I kind of like.
> The video system on the scoreboard was excellent.
It certainly looked good on TV.
> The as-yet-unnamed mascot was brought down from on high via a wire
> harness. The crowd liked him.
So did I.
> Another "entertainer" called the Iceman
> was used to try and pump up the crowd. This was a man with silver
> facepaint, silver jacket and pants, and an electric guitar. ..., "The
> Iceman Melteth." I don't think he'll be back.
I hope he isn't. He seemed especially unimaginative, and, well, stupid.
> So, overall, I'd say the pluses for Anaheim are ...
> * cheaper seats for equivalent sight-lines.
I thought I remembered that they charged $150 each for the equivalent of
club seats.
> The Ducks can't be taken lightly. I think they could easily beat the
> Sharks on a off night. We have the makings of another fine rivalry
> here...
I definitely agree with both statements. How do you suppose Tampa Bay
feels, having lost to the Panthers?
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sun Oct 10 18:40 PDT 1993
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 93 18:39:41 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: speaking of zambonis...
> Apologies if this was covered during the pre-season, but are the sharks
> going to keep the obnoxious "Miller Gen-U-Whine Draft" zamboni all year?
> The least they should do is paint some teal on that sucker, or bring back
> the fin! :-)
I talked with some facilities guys at the Epicenter open house, and they
said both Zamboni machines would be finned, but both the yellow one
and the black one would be painted all over for Miller (and their MGD
dishwater), which outbid Anheuser Busch (of Budweiser infamy).
Maybe we'll see the fins Thursday night.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sun Oct 10 22:45 PDT 1993
From: Nelson Lu
Subject: Sharks lose to Kings 5-2
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1993 22:43:55 -0700 (PDT)
Sunday, October 10, 7:30 P. M. at the Great Western Forum:
Both goalies played very well, making stops after stops, but Kelly Hrudey, with
help from superior offensive teammates, out-dueled Arturs Irbe, as Hrudey made
36 saves on 38 San Jose shots to take a well-deserved victory. Irbe stopped
27 of 30 Los Angeles shots, and that shot count was low for the number of
excellent stops that he had to make.
The first period, belying the shot count (11-10 San Jose) was really dominated
by the Kings, as about 75% of the play was in the Sharks zone, and Irbe had to
be sharp to stop 9 shots, but he did give up one goal early, at 4:58. Wayne
Gretzky got a pass from Warren Rychel at center ice, and entered the zone,
sending the puck to the right boards to Tomas Sandstrom. Sandstrom then moved
into a severe angle, and let go a shot that went past Irbe and into the corner
of the net. Meanwhile, Hrudey was not challenged much on most of the shots,
but he did make a couple excellent saves.
The Kings continued to dominate the early second period, and they struck for
a power-play goal at 4:51 to go up 2-0. Rob Blake, at the right point, got
a pass from Jimmy Carson, and spun and let go a rocket that Irbe stopped, but
Irbe couldn't hold on, and Luc Robitaille, waiting for the rebound, poked it
home. However, the Sharks then dominated the rest of the way, keeping most of
the play in the Los Angeles zone and out-shooting the Kings 12-5 for the
period, and they got one goal at 13:27. After a Sharks offensive was broken
up by a Kings defenseman (Alexei Zhitnik?), the puck was cleared to the point
but not out of the zone, and Vlastimil Kroupa picked it up, deked around two
Kings, and let go a strong wrist shot that got by Hrudey.
The Sharks, on a power-play early in the period that carried over from the end
of the 2nd period, then tied the game at 1:35. The Kings had just had a great
short-handed chance taken away by Irbe, and the rebound came out to center ice,
where Sergei Makarov picked it up, and fed Pat Falloon on a break-away, and
Falloon drove the puck through Hrudey's legs. However, the Kings would then
out-play the Sharks the rest of the way, out-shooting them 17-15 for the
period. Irbe made stop after stop, but he could not stop Jari Kurri at 9:48.
Robitaille had gotten a pass from inside the Sharks line from Charlie Huddy,
and he skated around the back of the net to the left corner, and he centered it
to Kurri, who was unguarded in front of the net, and Kurri poked the puck past
Irbe. The Sharks tried hard to tie the game at the end of the game, pulling
Irbe, but Hrudey made a great stop on Makarov, and Zhitnik cleared it out of
the zone, where Tony Granato chased it down and scored into the empty net at
19:04. Undaunted, the Sharks pulled Irbe again, but after Pat Conacher missed
an empty net attempt, Darryl Sydor picked it up in the left corner and centered
it back to Conacher, who did not miss it this time, at 19:46 to close the
scoring.
Tonight's three stars:
1. Luc Robitaille
2. Jari Kurri
3. Vlastimil Kroupa
(Neither goalie made this list. I thought that both goalies should make the
list. I probably would have had Hrudey/Robitaille/Irbe.)
Tonight's lines:
Johan Garpenlov Kip Miller Pat Falloon
David Bruce Dave Capuano Sergei Makarov
Bob Errey Jamie Baker Rob Gaudreau
Gaetan Duchesne Mike Sullivan Jeff Odgers
Tonight's defensive pairings:
Jayson More Michal Sykora
Vlastimil Kroupa Jeff Norton
Sandis Ozolinsh Doug Zmolek
Scratches: Igor Larionov (shoulder), Shawn Cronin, Mike Lalor,
Mike Rathje, Rob Zettler, David Maley, Ray Whitney. Larionov was
supposed to be back tonight, but was held out. He may be available
in the home opener against the Calgary Flames Thursday.
Notes:
1. Hrudey, other than the two goals, both of which were hard to stop,
was impeccable. He stopped Falloon and Makarov a number of times, and
also made great saves on Bob Errey and Rob Gaudreau.
2. Irbe was a bit more peccable, but after the first goal (which was not
*that* soft), he was great. He denied Shawn McEachern at least four
times on opportunties in the slot, and his most spectacular save of
the night was probably a save that he made on Gary Shuchuk.
3. Coach Kevin Constantine dressed 4 full lines for the first time in the
season, as he scratched defenseman Mike Lalor and put in an extra
forward.
4. But those four lines would not stay together for long, as a potentially
costly injury happened. Johan Garpenlov got roughed up in a check into
the boards early in the first period, and did not return. It is
unknown yet what he suffered and how serious it is.
5. Jeff Odgers and David Bruce dressed for the first time this season,
and both were moderately impressive. Bruce was putting on very good
forechecking pressure, although he appeared a bit slow. Odgers was
mixing it up in the offensive zone all night on a checking line with
Gaetan Duchesne and Mike Sullivan. He also fought Rychel to close the
game, winning a close decision in a fairly close fight. Rychel bled
profusely near the eyes, and Odgers also got a cut.
6. McEachern had a great game and had no points to show for it.
7. Talking about "great," the Great One appears to be free of the back
trouble that he had last season, as he double-shifted and played
extensively on the special team situations, and looked very good,
picking up two assists.
===============================================================================
GO EDMONTON OILERS! Go for playoffs! Bill Ranford for Vezina!
GO DALLAS STARS! Go for playoffs! Ulf Dahlen for Lady Byng!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (email@hidden)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 11 02:17 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 02:16:06 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Game statistics vs. LA
SUMMARY: KINGS 5, SHARKS 2 10/10/93
San Jose 0..1..1--2
Los Angeles 1..1..3--5
First Period--1, Los Angeles, Sandstrom 1 (Gretzky, Rychel), 4:58.
Penalties--Hardy, LA (holding), 10:16; Miller, SJ (hooking), 11:25.
Second Period--2, Los Angeles, Robitaile 2 (Carson, Blake), 4:51 (pp).
3, San Jose, Kroupa 1, 13:27.
Penalties--Errey, SJ (high-sticking), 2:56; Rychel, LA (elbowing), 15:45;
Blake, LA, double minor (tripping, unsportsmanlike conduct), 18:22.
Third Period--4, San Jose, Falloon 3 (Makarov), :35 (pp).
5, Los Angeles, Kurri 1 (Robitaille, Huddy), 9:46.
6, Los Angeles, Granato 1 (Zhitnik), 19:04 (en).
7, Los Angeles, Conacher 3 (Sydor, Gretzky), 19:47 (en).
Penalties--Sykora, SJ (interference), 3:11; Baker, SJ (roughing), 4:01;
Miller, SJ (tripping), 6:52; Hardy, LA, double minor (interference,
cross-checking), 12:49; Falloon, SJ (tripping), 15:25; Rychel, LA,
major (fighting), 19:49; Odgers, SJ, major (fighting), 19:49.
Shots on goal--San Jose 11-12-15--38.
Los Angeles 10- 5-17--32.
Power-play Opportunities--San Jose 1 of 4; Los Angeles 1 of 6.
Goalies--San Jose, Irbe 0-2-0 (30 shots-27 saves).
Los Angeles, Hrudey 2-1-0 (38-36).
A--13,018
Referee--Ron Hoggarth. Linesmen--Ryan Bozak, Lyle Seitz.
___________________________________________
Like the TV guys said, it was not really a 5-to-2 game. Nearly all of it
was well-played. KroupaUs goal convinced me that he has a place in the NHL.
What a wonderful piece of deking and shooting! And the check that Padyd
////// Paddy Falloon gave to McKeachern (sp?) was one we would never have
seen in past years from him. What a pity that Irbe was not up to his usual
sterling performance - he hardly moved on the Sandstrom goal, like he was
asleep or something. Several times, he made a good save, but let the puck
bounce around in front, invitingly - once to be saved in the nick of time
by Sullivan.
Overall, though, IUd call it a good game against a Cup finalist team!
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 11 07:36 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 07:31:44 PDT
From: email@hidden (Robert Diebold)
Subject: Re: Sharks Digest #73 (Sun Oct 10, 1993)
Some impressions of the Mighty Ducks second game:
This game was a lot different than the 7-2 shelling they faced in their first
game; there was a lot of hitting with the Ducks out-hitting the Islanders
about 2 to 1.
My top three for each team:
Islanders - 1) Malakhov, 2) Thomas, 3) Hextall
Ducks - 1) Tuggnut, 2) Sean Hill, 3) Don Koharski (couldn't find him on the
roster, however).
As I said, there was a lot of hitting in this game, but a fifth of those hits
were by Ducks on Islanders who did not have and had not touched the puck (the
rule book - for non-Disney teams - calls that interference). All night long
the Ducks were holding, hooking, and interfering, but Koharski let it all go.
As I recall from the tapes of the first-year Sharks games that I managed to
see, the Sharks almost always had someone in the box for employing a similar
style.
I would have made Koharski the most valuable Duck had they won; it was bad
enough that he allowed them to tie the score. The Ducks should have been at
least one man short, especially after Loney grabbed Hextall by the shoulder
from behind and spun him to the ice away from his net where Valk proceeded to
do an "oops, didn't see you lying there" skate over him. I also liked
Semenov's cross-check on a defenseman who was looking the other way right in
front of Koharski. Koharski was one of the most hated refs in the (now
defunct) CHL, and he doesn't seem to have gotten much better. I'm looking
forward to the next televised game, vs. the Canadiens (the other team favored
by the refs).
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O Be seeing you...
Robert Diebold A San Jose Sharks, Cardiff Devils, Glamorgan,
email@hidden Sydney Swans, & Manchester United supporter.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 11 08:16 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 08:15:21 -0800
From: email@hidden (Brian Bechtel)
Subject: Re: Brian Hayward's new job
Ed Rush saith:
>The commentators noted one thing that also bothered me: the "battle"
>between the two sides of Disney, the hockey division and the entertainment
>division. The latter has GOT to go. I don't know which is worse, the
>high-school-style cheerleaders in the aisles, or the skating girls (Decoys)
>in the intermission (whom I would call treacly except for the extremely
>tacky black bra cups adorning their skimpy outfits).
The skating girls at least had some talent on the ice. They were ice
dancing. The bra cups don't look as tacky in person; they're just part of
the costume. The cheerleaders in the aisles only appeared with the Iceman.
Hopefully, they are as doomed as the Iceman is, given the reception
accorded both.
>The hanging duck with the red eyes, though, I kind of like.
The hanging duck goalie masks with red eyes blocked the view of the video
screens from our seats during the opening ceremonies. They were raised
during the game so that they were out of the sight lines. When the Ducks
score a goal, the masks shoot off fireworks of some kind. They look very
good.
>I thought I remembered that they [the Ducks] charged $150 each for the
>equivalent of club seats.
That's just for the on-ice seats. Everything else is cheaper than the
equivalent San Jose Arena seats. They also have fewer luxury boxes,
equivalent to only the lower row of luxury boxes at the San Jose Arena.
>How do you suppose Tampa Bay feels, having lost to the Panthers?
In the pregame before the Kings-Sharks game last night, Rusanowsky
interviewed a reporter from Tampa Bay. The Tampa Bay media (& hockey team)
refuse to call them the "Florida" Panthers; they are the "Miami" Panthers.
They contend that Tampa Bay is Florida's team, and that Huizenga's group
was tacky to appropriate the name "Florida" given that another team already
existed in the state. You can bet they were angry to lose their season
opener at home to such a team.
--Brian Bechtel email@hidden "My opinion, not Apple's"
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 11 08:39 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 08:38:33 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Kings 5-2
>Both goalies played very well, making stops after stops, but Kelly Hrudey, with
>help from superior offensive teammates, out-dueled Arturs Irbe, as Hrudey made
>36 saves on 38 San Jose shots to take a well-deserved victory. Irbe stopped
>27 of 30 Los Angeles shots, and that shot count was low for the number of
>excellent stops that he had to make.
Nelson, given that (a) it was 3-2 excluding empty net goals, and (b), the
Sharks outshot the Kings, how can you say "superior offensive teammates"
with a straight face? The Kings have much better talent in general, but last
night, the Sharks played them even or better on all counts except the
score and that could have gone either way down to the last couple of
minutes.
>the puck was cleared to the point
>but not out of the zone, and Vlastimil Kroupa picked it up, deked around two
>Kings, and let go a strong wrist shot that got by Hrudey.
Oohh. Was that pretty or what?
>Tonight's three stars:
>(Neither goalie made this list. I thought that both goalies should make the
>list. I probably would have had Hrudey/Robitaille/Irbe.)
Disagree. Both goalies did fine jobs with good (and great) saves, but they
didn't dominate the performance. Maybe Hrudey gets a third star, but I won't
take it away from Kroupa for what was not only his first NHL goal, but a
highlight reel goal on top of a solid overall performance (he had one rookie
mistake last night, which he made up for nicely. he doesn't seem to make the
same mistake twice, which is encouraging. neither does Sykora.)
>2. Irbe was a bit more peccable, but after the first goal (which was not
> *that* soft), he was great.
It wasn't soft at all. Take a look at an overhead replay on the angles
involved. Irbe had it covered, except for about 2" on the outside corner.
Talk about threading the needle. Don't take away anything from the shooter
on THIS one.
>4. But those four lines would not stay together for long, as a potentially
> costly injury happened. Johan Garpenlov got roughed up in a check into
> the boards early in the first period, and did not return. It is
> unknown yet what he suffered and how serious it is.
Contusion to the thigh (left, I think). I.e. a bruise. Radio report was not
serious, but they wanted to get ice on it rather than risk making it worse.
Not expected to miss a game.
>7. Talking about "great," the Great One appears to be free of the back
> trouble that he had last season, as he double-shifted and played
> extensively on the special team situations, and looked very good,
> picking up two assists.
Definitely looks good. It's almost as if his stick has a puck-magnet he can
turn on at will. (Did anyone notice who got the wonderful job of covering
him much of the night? It was Kroupa. And did anyone notice that Kroupa did
a pretty good job of controlling the Great One?
Welcome to the NHL, Vlasti. Next week, we send you mano-a-mano with Probert
and see how you fight. (hee hee).
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 11 09:57 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 09:57:48 PDT
From: email@hidden (Gary A. Bolles)
Subject: pre-pay benefits for season ticket holders
I'll add my voice to the choir - sort of. I DID receive my jacket
and it is quite nice. BUT....
I never received the commemorative pucks. We were supposed to get
one for each seat purchased, weren't we?
Go figure....
-gab- (Gary Bolles 202/2/9-12)
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 11 09:57 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 09:56:48 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Miami Panthers (was: Brian Hayward's new job)
> >How do you suppose Tampa Bay feels, having lost to the Panthers?
>
> In the pregame before the Kings-Sharks game last night, Rusanowsky
> interviewed a reporter from Tampa Bay. The Tampa Bay media (& hockey team)
> refuse to call them the "Florida" Panthers; they are the "Miami" Panthers.
> They contend that Tampa Bay is Florida's team, and that Huizenga's group
> was tacky to appropriate the name "Florida" given that another team already
> existed in the state.
Yeah, I heard that and cheered. The Panthers aren't Florida's only team
any more than the Angels are California's only baseball team.
I also cheered the existence of the "Coach's Chalkboard" pregame show.
When KNEW dropped their pregame show, we lost a good source of real
information. Hurrah for 610 (and, I hope, their Epicenter repeater).
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 11 10:32 PDT 1993
Date: 11 Oct 93 09:49:00 PST
From: "MOSHE PREIL (22117)"
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to LA 5-2
The Sharks did look pretty good. I am almost getting used to
seeing passes actually go from one teal skater to another. And the
Sharks ability to kill off power plays is something I could really learn
to enjoy.
The downside of last night's game that no one mentioned was the
wasted four minute power play the Sharks had in the last few minutes.
LA controlled the puck so well that it almost looked like they had the
man advantage. Did I miscount, or did LA get off more shots on goal during
that PP than the Sharks? Of course, the power play didn't last a full four
minutes due to an real lapse by Falloon. Did the Sharks get tired, or did
LA just turn it up a notch in those last few minutes?
Sorry to have to point out the negatives, but everyone else already
covered the good stuff.... Moshe
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 11 10:37 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 10:34:16 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to LA 5-2
>Did the Sharks get tired, or did
>LA just turn it up a notch in those last few minutes?
LA turned it up a notch. Let's not forget, the silver and black were in the
Cup finals last year, and it's effectively the same team minus McSorley.
They're going to miss McSorley, too. Did you see the shots Gretzky took? Two
or three strong, solid checks. Sydor finally came in later in the game to
try to discourage this, but he's no McSorley.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 11 11:06 PDT 1993
From: Craig Cirimele
Subject: Petri Varis
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 11:04:37 PDT
Is Petri Varis still with the Sharks, or did he get sent down?
Thanks
Craig
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 11 11:27 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 11:22:27 PDT
From: email@hidden (Jason Cockroft)
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to LA 5-2
> The downside of last night's game that no one mentioned was the
>wasted four minute power play the Sharks had in the last few minutes.
>LA controlled the puck so well that it almost looked like they had the
>man advantage. Did I miscount, or did LA get off more shots on goal during
>that PP than the Sharks? Of course, the power play didn't last a full four
>minutes due to an real lapse by Falloon.
Pal,
Falloon was a terror to the kings last night. In fact I can't believe
that Blake didn't get two for elbowing Falloon during the powerplay.
Incredible! that's all I have to say. Maybe if Falloon had a big contract,
(ie Tier I Rules), he would have called it. During the next shift,
whoever that king was, took a wienny dive to draw the Falloon penalty -
Hardly a "lapse". This was more like a Melrose planned dive to cool
off Falloon. I can't believe Pat kept his cool.
I've really noticed a change in Falloon in the first two televised games.
One word come to mind: Intensity.
I like what I see out there. Can't wait 'til Thursday.
-jake.
shaaaaAAARRRKKKKK ATTACK!
Epicenter 209/16/5
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 11 11:49 PDT 1993
From: Joshua Atkins
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 14:46:15 -0400
Subject: Petri Varis
From: Craig Cirimele
Subject: Petri Varis
>Is Petri Varis still with the Sharks, or did he get sent down?
>
>Thanks
>Craig
I'm pretty sure Petri returned to Europe about halfway through camp.
Josh
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 11 12:35 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 12:32:27 +0800
From: email@hidden (Mike Eisler)
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to LA 5-2
> From: email@hidden (Jason Cockroft)
> To: email@hidden, email@hidden
> Subject: Re: Sharks lose to LA 5-2
> Falloon was a terror to the kings last night. In fact I can't believe
> that Blake didn't get two for elbowing Falloon during the powerplay.
> Incredible! that's all I have to say. Maybe if Falloon had a big contract,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Well, he'll probably be pulling $2m a year next season.
> (ie Tier I Rules), he would have called it. During the next shift,
> whoever that king was, took a wienny dive to draw the Falloon penalty -
> Hardly a "lapse". This was more like a Melrose planned dive to cool
> off Falloon. I can't believe Pat kept his cool.
>
> I've really noticed a change in Falloon in the first two televised games.
> One word come to mind: Intensity.
Did anyone notice during one the power plays that after Hrudey beat Falloon
while was close to the net, Falloon was left wide-open and unmolested in
front of the net. It seemed like there was a 10 second window when the
power play unit had the puck in the zone that they could've delivered the
puck to him and he'd have had Hrudey at his mercy.
> I like what I see out there. Can't wait 'til Thursday.
I agree with you, I haven't felt this good about a loss for a long
time. If nothing else, the new patterns on power plays and penalty
killing that coach K.C. presumably introduced make Sharks hockey more
interesting to experience. Makarov is a joy to watch. Even if we
lose 70 games it won't be like last year ... there will be glimmers of
hope.
I do wonder though when we will see Rathje in the lineup ... not that I
can point to any individual Sharks D-man and say that he has been performing
badly.
-mre
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 11 13:02 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 12:58:16 PDT
From: email@hidden (Darren Busing)
Subject: Re: Kingly dives
> During the next shift,
> whoever that king was, took a wienny dive to draw the Falloon penalty -
> Hardly a "lapse". This was more like a Melrose planned dive to cool
> off Falloon. I can't believe Pat kept his cool.
I'd agree with that. Pat reached a long way with his stick,
hitting the King player (I forget who) up around the knee, with the
blade away from him, opposite from a hook attempt. For this to actually
take a player down, Pat would have had to hit him hard enough to
be called for a slash first. However, the long reach did look bad,
giving the ref cause for a call for a badly-attempted trip.
--Darren
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 11 13:03 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 12:59:00 PDT
From: email@hidden (Sheri Gillette)
Subject: << 2 SHARKS TIX NEEDED >>
Does anyone have a pair of tix for a Sharks home game for sale?
Would like to go between now and mid November.
Must be great seats in lower section.
Thanks!
-Sheri
# 408-729-8203
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 11 13:34 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 13:31:56 PDT
From: email@hidden (Frank Remeneski)
Subject: Re: Kingly dives
The wienny in question was Tony Granato. And we
all know that Granato is famous for his dives, don't we?
Frank
}From email@hidden Mon Oct 11 13:25:54 1993
}Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 12:58:16 PDT
}From: email@hidden (Darren Busing)
}To: email@hidden
}Subject: Re: Kingly dives
}Sender: email@hidden
}Content-Length: 641
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}
}> During the next shift,
}> whoever that king was, took a wienny dive to draw the Falloon penalty -
}> Hardly a "lapse". This was more like a Melrose planned dive to cool
}> off Falloon. I can't believe Pat kept his cool.
}
}I'd agree with that. Pat reached a long way with his stick,
}hitting the King player (I forget who) up around the knee, with the
}blade away from him, opposite from a hook attempt. For this to actually
}take a player down, Pat would have had to hit him hard enough to
}be called for a slash first. However, the long reach did look bad,
}giving the ref cause for a call for a badly-attempted trip.
}
}--Darren
}
}
}
}
}
}
}
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 11 13:37 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 13:26:53 -0800 (GMT-0800)
From: Richard D Bremer
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Kings
Jake says:
> During the next shift,
> whoever that king was, took a wienny dive to draw the Falloon penalty -
> Hardly a "lapse". This was more like a Melrose planned dive to cool
> off Falloon. I can't believe Pat kept his cool.
Um, I'd have to disagree with you there. If you looked up tripping in the
dictionary, it would be this play. Basically, Faloon got beat at the blue
line, fell backwards, and hooked both legs of the skater.
A few other notes on the game last night:
1) Gretsky looked great, but after the first 10 minutes or so Kroupa had
him covered well. Speaking of Kroupa, that was a beautiful goal he had.
Even the Kings fans applauded him.
2) Irbe looked pretty good all around. The only bad goal I felt he gave up
was the second one to Blake, I think. He stopped the first shot and kind
of kicked the rebound around a bit. I think he should have had it. The
first goal (Sandstrom's) was a great shot--he had it covered well.
3) The crowd was awful quiet! They said they had over 13,000 sold, but
only about 8,000 were there and it sounded like about 5,000! I guess
the Sharks just aren't trendy enoughx` for LA fans yet.
/----------------------------------------------------------------------\
| Rich Bremer | Humm-Baby! Go Giants in '94! |
| University of California | Chomp! Go Sharks whenever! |
| Riverside email@hidden | Go Sydney Fighting Echidnas! |
\----------------------------------------------------------------------/
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 11 13:46 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 13:45:44 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Kings
>1) Gretsky looked great, but after the first 10 minutes or so Kroupa had
> him covered well. Speaking of Kroupa, that was a beautiful goal he had.
> Even the Kings fans applauded him.
I'm beginning to believe that Grillo and Lombardi really earn their
salaries. We have an 18 year old kid who snuck through the first round
completely who's not only starting in the NHL, but covering Gretzky with
some success in his third NHL game. And scoring highlight reel goals.
There have to be scouts looking at him and checking their databases already.
Even if he fades somewhat, by all rights he shouldn't even be in the IHL.
Talk about a steal and a half.
>2) Irbe looked pretty good all around. The only bad goal I felt he gave up
> was the second one to Blake, I think. He stopped the first shot and kind
> of kicked the rebound around a bit. I think he should have had it. The
> first goal (Sandstrom's) was a great shot--he had it covered well.
Irbe's GAA is almost exactly 3, and he's giving up about one goal in every
ten shots. We can kibbitz about this goal or that goal all we want, but his
numbers overall are perfectly acceptable. We just need to generate enough
offense that holding the opposition to three goals is enough (or keep the
shot count down. We've done reasonably well at that so far).
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 11 13:53 PDT 1993
Date: 11 Oct 93 13:12:00 PST
From: "MOSHE PREIL (22117)"
Subject: Trip or Dive?
I agree that Falloon looked great most of the night, and the
check by Blake should have been high sticking or elbowing- he was way
up high on Falloon. But the trip was legitimate, not a dive. The King
skater (I can't remember who it was either) got past Falloon while LA
was a man short, and as he skated toward the Sharks blue line, Pat reached
back and definitely brought him down with his stick. That's a lapse. I
would speculate that Falloon kept his cool because he knew he did it.
I don't mean to knock the Loon and tick off all the Loonatics on the net;
I never expect anyone to be perfect, and he has been playing with great
intensity. But that was a mistake at a key moment, period.
See ya Thursday- we can argue... I mean discuss... this some
more between periods.
Moshe
209/17/7 (Right behind you on your left)
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 11:22:27 PDT
From: email@hidden (Jason Cockroft)
Pal,
Falloon was a terror to the kings last night. In fact I can't believe
that Blake didn't get two for elbowing Falloon during the powerplay.
Incredible! that's all I have to say. Maybe if Falloon had a big contract,
(ie Tier I Rules), he would have called it. During the next shift,
whoever that king was, took a wienny dive to draw the Falloon penalty -
Hardly a "lapse". This was more like a Melrose planned dive to cool
off Falloon. I can't believe Pat kept his cool.
I've really noticed a change in Falloon in the first two televised games.
One word come to mind: Intensity.
I like what I see out there. Can't wait 'til Thursday.
-jake.
shaaaaAAARRRKKKKK ATTACK!
Epicenter 209/16/5
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From: email@hidden, email@hidden
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to LA 5-2
> The downside of last night's game that no one mentioned was the
>wasted four minute power play the Sharks had in the last few minutes.
>LA controlled the puck so well that it almost looked like they had the
>man advantage. Did I miscount, or did LA get off more shots on goal during
>that PP than the Sharks? Of course, the power play didn't last a full four
>minutes due to an real lapse by Falloon.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 11 14:29 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 14:23:02 PDT
From: email@hidden (Rick Rees)
Subject: Getting to games from SF
I checked out the train schedule, and it looks like it
costs $9 round-trip. Does anyone know of other
alternatives? Any bus charters going?
-Rick
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 11 14:57 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 14:54:56 PDT
From: email@hidden (Frank Remeneski)
Subject: Re: Trip or Dive?
I don't know...Did everyone else see a different game?
I taped the game and rewound it to see if it really was a trip.
The blade of Fallons stick was facing outward of Granatos'
knees, how could he have brought him down with the stick
at this angle? To me I saw a dive and I think it was a bad
call.
Frank
Hockey is life... everything else is just details!
}From email@hidden Mon Oct 11 14:38:48 1993
}Date: 11 Oct 93 13:12:00 PST
}From: "MOSHE PREIL (22117)"
}Subject: Trip or Dive?
}To: "sharks"
}Sender: email@hidden
}Content-Length: 2202
}
} I agree that Falloon looked great most of the night, and the
}check by Blake should have been high sticking or elbowing- he was way
}up high on Falloon. But the trip was legitimate, not a dive. The King
}skater (I can't remember who it was either) got past Falloon while LA
}was a man short, and as he skated toward the Sharks blue line, Pat reached
}back and definitely brought him down with his stick. That's a lapse. I
}would speculate that Falloon kept his cool because he knew he did it.
}I don't mean to knock the Loon and tick off all the Loonatics on the net;
}I never expect anyone to be perfect, and he has been playing with great
}intensity. But that was a mistake at a key moment, period.
}
} See ya Thursday- we can argue... I mean discuss... this some
}more between periods.
}
}Moshe
}209/17/7 (Right behind you on your left)
}---------------------
}Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 11:22:27 PDT
}From: email@hidden (Jason Cockroft)
}Message-Id:
}
}Pal,
}
}Falloon was a terror to the kings last night. In fact I can't believe
}that Blake didn't get two for elbowing Falloon during the powerplay.
}Incredible! that's all I have to say. Maybe if Falloon had a big contract,
}(ie Tier I Rules), he would have called it. During the next shift,
}whoever that king was, took a wienny dive to draw the Falloon penalty -
}Hardly a "lapse". This was more like a Melrose planned dive to cool
}off Falloon. I can't believe Pat kept his cool.
}
}I've really noticed a change in Falloon in the first two televised games.
}One word come to mind: Intensity.
}
}I like what I see out there. Can't wait 'til Thursday.
}
}-jake.
}
}shaaaaAAARRRKKKKK ATTACK!
}Epicenter 209/16/5
}-----------------------
}From: email@hidden, email@hidden
}Subject: Re: Sharks lose to LA 5-2
}
}> The downside of last night's game that no one mentioned was the
}>wasted four minute power play the Sharks had in the last few minutes.
}>LA controlled the puck so well that it almost looked like they had the
}>man advantage. Did I miscount, or did LA get off more shots on goal during
}>that PP than the Sharks? Of course, the power play didn't last a full four
}>minutes due to an real lapse by Falloon.
}
}
}
}
}
}
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 11 15:07 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 15:03:51 PDT
From: email@hidden (Jason Cockroft)
Subject: Re: Trip or Dive?
> See ya Thursday- we can argue... I mean discuss... this some
>more between periods.
>
>Moshe
>209/17/7 (Right behind you on your left)
>---------------------
>shaaaaAAARRRKKKKK ATTACK!
>Epicenter 209/16/5
>-----------------------
That's hilarious.
-jake.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 11 15:53 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 15:49:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: email@hidden
Subject: "Miami" Panthers
Tampa's refusal to call the Panthers by their proper name is laughable. Tampa
is once again showing their true colors and they aren't orange and black.
OK. So I'm still holding a grudge...
In orange and black and teal we trust,
Chris Freud
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 11 16:20 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 16:18:09 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: "Miami" Panthers
>.Tampa's refusal to call the Panthers by their proper name is laughable. Tampa
>.is once again showing their true colors and they aren't orange and black.
Before you take it TOO seriously, it should be noted that it's being done
somewhat tongue in cheek, and because it's something to help build the
rivalry with, and with the knowledge and somewhat nudge-nudge-wink-wink rom
the Panthers.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 11 17:23 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 17:20:51 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: "Miami" Panthers
> >.Tampa's refusal to call the Panthers by their proper name is laughable. Tampa
> >.is once again showing their true colors and they aren't orange and black.
>
> Before you take it TOO seriously, it should be noted that it's being done
> somewhat tongue in cheek, and because it's something to help build the
> rivalry with, and with the knowledge and somewhat nudge-nudge-wink-wink rom
> the Panthers.
Maybe so, but the Tampa folks are still right,and I'm with 'em all
the way on this one.
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| Ed Rush, not speaking for Metaphor, Mtn. View, CA |
| Internet: email@hidden |
| "My Macintosh doesn't go out in the rain." |
| Epicenter 117/17/11-12 |
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 11 17:26 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 93 17:23:13 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: Getting to games from SF
> I checked out the train schedule, and it looks like it
> costs $9 round-trip.
Where from, Sacramento? A same-day round trip from Lawrence Station
(next zone from SJ) all the way to SF is only $6. Check your figures,
and then enjoy the train ride.
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| Ed Rush, not speaking for Metaphor, Mtn. View, CA |
| Internet: email@hidden |
| "My Macintosh doesn't go out in the rain." |
| Epicenter 117/17/11-12 |
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 12 08:10 PDT 1993
Date: 12 Oct 93 11:03:29 EDT
From: Richard Thompson
Subject: Re. "Hat Trick"
>Hi Richard:
>Have you begun receiving your copies of Hat Trick??
>I called them at the begining of September and requested
>a subsription. The woman I talked to said I would start
>by getting the September issue. . . nothing yet, no newspaper
>or bill.
>Mark
Mark:
Not yet! I guess they are running behind schedule.
FYI, I receive another magazine called "Center Ice." It is published monthly
during the hockey season. I just received this month's issue; very interesting
with a great article on Kozlov. They do a team by team report and several
feature articles each month.
For those interested, it is $15.00 for the year and well worth it!
Their toll free number is: 1 800 935 4035 or write to:
Center Ice Hockey Monthly
8121 Manchester Av. #726
Playa Del Ray, California, 90293
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 12 11:21 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 93 11:19:46 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Apology: Getting to games from SF
> > I checked out the train schedule, and it looks like it
> > costs $9 round-trip.
>
> Where from, Sacramento? A same-day round trip from Lawrence Station
> (next zone from SJ) all the way to SF is only $6. Check your figures,
> and then enjoy the train ride.
I checked the new train schedule (dated 26th Sept.), and our San Francisco
correspondent was right. "Round-trip fare is two times the one-way fare."
For donkey's years, they had a same-day round-trip fare that was about
1.4 times the one-way fare, but apparently they have abandoned that. :-(
Round-trip prices to and from San Jose are now:
$9.00 SF - Bayshore
$7.50 South SF-Millbrae
$6.50 Broadway-Belmont
$5.50 San Carlos-Menlo Park
$4.50 Palo Alto-Mtn. View
$3.50 Sunnyvale-Santa Clara
$2.00 College Park (wherever that is)-Tamien
> -----------------------------------------------------
> | Ed Rush, not speaking for Metaphor, Mtn. View, CA |
> | Internet: email@hidden |
> | "My Macintosh doesn't go out in the rain." |
> | Epicenter 117/17/11-12 |
> -----------------------------------------------------
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 12 11:52 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 93 11:50:05 -0700
From: email@hidden (Jim Liskovec)
Subject: Tix4sale - ALMOST GONE
Still have a pair of tickets for one remaining game
in the Oct/Nov period. Tue, Oct 26 Edmonton. $56/pair
Balcony section 214, row 8 Shark attack zone for two
periods. Side of arena opposite the benches. e-mail
or call (415)969-5542. Jim
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 12 15:01 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 93 21:31 GMT
From: "Andrew T. Kuligowski"
Subject: re: Lightning vs Panthers
Since y'all brought it up and kept it going -
I'm a Tampa Bay season ticket holder (50-50 split), so I have a localized -
potentially jaundiced, I admit - slant to the issue.
Some of the rivalry is a marketing ploy. However, much of the fans' hatred
is real - directed at Wayne Huezinga in regards to the area's attempt at
getting baseball. In summary, the local fans believed that the area had
been promised an expansion franchise due to Frank Morsani's agreement not to
buy/move the Twins and/or the Rangers. (Based on his subsequent lawsuits, so
did Mr. Morsani.) Wayne got it - his subsequent naming of his team the
"Florida" Marlins was taken in these parts as a slap. Secondly, it is highly
rumored (no evidence) in these parts that he played a large role behind the
scenes in blocking the sale/move of the Giants, to keep the entire Florida
market to himself - at least until he had a few years under his belt. (No
flames, please - I realize that the East Coast Bay and the West Coast one
have different opinions on how this story ended, and I'm only trying to
explain the public perception - not express an opinion or take sides.)
Wayne publicly said he voted in favor of the move, but the whispers are that
he only did so after verifying that the move had no chance of passing.
Finally, he was awarded the NHL franchise for "South Florida", and chose to
call it the "Florida" Panthers. (We could have lived with "South Florida".)
As y'all have said, you probably understand, looking at the "California"
Angels who are located out in the Southwest corner of the state somewhere
surrounded by 4 other franchises in the state. It's not like a "Utah" Jazz
or "Minnesota" Twins/Timberwolves/Vikings (or even "New England" Patriots).
A bigger issue regarding Saturday's game was not the loss, but how many of
those 27,000+ fans were neophytes who watched 60 minutes of lackluster play
for their first game, and decided to make it their last!
Anyway, most of the real hockey fans in the area realize that we have to do
what we can to ensure the survival of both franchises, lest the NHL decide
that expansion to the South was a mistake and totally up and leave! (Y'all
have the same situation with 3 teams in California, plus IHL in San Diego
and Las Vegas.)
Let me move this off-line, to return the list to official Sharks topics now.
Andy Kuligowski email@hidden
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 12 16:21 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 93 16:17:00 PDT
From: email@hidden (Joanna McLaughlin)
Subject: Doug Zmolek
As a Minnesota resident and hockey fan, I'm wondering if anyone can get
any information to me on Doug Zmolek?
Thanks,
Joanna Mclaughlin
Joanna McLaughlin Associate Producer Husky Hockey
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 12 18:22 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 93 11:12:21 PDT
From: email@hidden (Jason Cockroft)
Subject: Sharks/Bruins Tix
Hey Folks,
I've ended up with an extra ticket for
Saturday's game against the Bruins.
First reply gets it.
Sharks vs. Bruins
Saturday October 16.
7:30pm
Sec 207, Row 6, Seat 3.
$24.
-jake.
shaaaaAAARRRKKKKK ATTACK!
Epicenter 209/16/5
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 13 09:36 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 93 09:35:51 -0700
From: email@hidden (Kevin McCallum)
Subject: NEED 2 TIX for 11/2!
Greetings all,
After an emergency trade became necessary with my
season-ticket partner, I've suddenly become in dire
need of 2 tickets to the Tuesday November 2nd game
against Pittsburgh.
I'll take ANY 2 seats together in ANY price range
in ANY part of the Arena. Preferences would be
either the more expensive wine&cheese seats, or
something in Sect. #209.....but like I said, anything
will do.
I can be reached by e-mail at: email@hidden
I can be reached by telephone at: D= (510) 644-3600 (ext.308)
N= (707) 762-5567 (lv msg)
This is a must-have game for me, and for the Pittsburgh
native I've already promised to take, so gracious thanks
for any leads or info that can be offered.
=Kev.
==================================================================
Kevin McCallum Innovative Interfaces
email@hidden Berkeley, CA 94710
"Moe is their leader!" (H.Simpson) Tech Support Services
==================================================================
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 13 09:53 PDT 1993
From: "patel ketan d"
Subject: mailing
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 93 12:53:23 EDT
Please take me off the Sharks mailing list, I am not reading it.
Thanks...
----------------------------------Ketan D. Patel
--------------------------------- email@hidden
--
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 13 11:44 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 93 11:42:52 PDT
From: email@hidden (Dave Cornelius)
Subject: Tickets for sale
======================================================
== ==
== Sharks Club Seats and Parking Pass For Sale ==
== ==
== Section 116, Row 9, Seats 14 + 15. ==
== ==
== Games from Jan 11 through Feb 21 (see below). ==
== ==
== Cost: $65 each + $10 parking: $140 per game. ==
== ==
== Contact: Dave Cornelius ==
== 415-694-0675 email@hidden ==
== ==
======================================================
Only eight rows between you and the ice, about
half way between the Sharks' defensive blue line
and the Sharks' defensive face-off circle,
across the ice from the Sharks' bench!
The seats are on the left end of the row.
They afford a tremendous view of the action,
up close and personal! Since they're Club Seats,
you get radio-dispatched beverage and food service,
so you never miss any action, and you have access
to the special Club section of the Arena. The
Club seats also have a special entrance to the
Arena, and, with the on-site parking pass prepaid,
the exit after the game is a snap.
Tue, Jan 11 @ 7:30 Los Angeles Kings
Sat, Jan 15 @ 7:30 Hartford Whalers (*)
Mon, Jan 17 @ 2:00 Calgary Flames
Fri, Feb 11 @ 7:30 Chicago Blackhawks
Sun, Feb 13 @ 2:00 Chicago Blackhawks
Thu, Feb 17 @ 7:30 Quebec Nordiques (*)
Sat, Feb 19 @ 7:30 Los Angeles Kings
Mon, Feb 21 @ 2:00 Dallas Stars
(*) Only visit to San Jose this season.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 13 15:57 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 93 15:56:13 PDT
From: Laurie Sefton
Subject: Sharks Lunch
(what? no one beat me to the write-up?)
1. The lunch was held in the arena--on the arena ice. Before anyone gets
any ideas that the insurance rates for the Sharks are going to go up, they
had the ice covered, and a reasonable dining area set up. I felt the cold
through the floor covering, but I've had my feet nastily frostbitten.
2. We had Arturs Irbe at our (Dave Comstock, Chuq and I) table, and Sandish
Ozolinsh at the next table over (Brian Bechtel, Lou Fischer, et al). Latvian
flags were provided by Thelma (not on the list, but who coordinated the
tables for us) for the lunch. Arturs is very polite, and put up with a
bazillion people who seemed to want him to sign *anything*. (Note for people
who sometimes wonder about the US school system--Irbe speaks Russian,
Lativian, English *and* German. You learn to speak a lot of languages in the
Latvian school system.)
3. Doug Zmolek has an, ahem, interesting haircut. I suppose he'd spike it if
he could figure out how to get his helmet on.
4. Vlasti Kroupa doesn't speak a lot of English. He looked very
uncomfortable at his table--he did a lot of nodding and smiling.
5. Constantine looked alternately peeved and cranky throughout the media's
"smarmy" speeches. Note--the SJ Merc was not in "offical" attendance. Even
KLIV had a table, and they don't broadcast Sharks games. If this is an
indication of how the Merc feels about the Sharks, we're in for a long
season on paper.
6. Constantine certainly set the tone of how he *knows* the season is going
to go. This definitely was *not* your kindly great-uncle talking in your
general direction (ala last year). Constantine definitely doesn't pull
punches--whether it's how he feels about the team, having to go practice
elsewhere today, armchair coaches from the media, the local print media, or the
fans (he likes the noise we make at the games). He expects the team to kick
butt out there on the ice.
7. I'll bet there were a lot of players eating lunch after they ate lunch.
The menu included "roast mighty duck" (well, maybe not so mighty duck), and
probably totalled all of 600-700 calories. If you're putting down 5000
calories on a heavy practice day, that's a snack.
8. The lunch was more disjoint than last year's lunch. One of the oopsies
was the giveaways--last year they gave away quite a few small
things--pennants, posters--that sort of thing. This year, they gave away 4
items, and that was it. I think the audience was expecting something more
than a "okay--thanks for coming" after that. Looks like they didn't go
through who was supposed to be introduced, and when, either.
General--nice to see people from the list! We had a chance to talk and look
at Dave's *huge* card collection. Wow.
The arena continues to impress. It's an amazingly nice place to be,
especialy after the Cow Palace.
Laurie
Laurie
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 13 16:10 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 93 16:08:45 -0700
Subject: Re: speaking of zambonis...
-> From email@hidden Sun Oct 10 12:30:37 1993
-> Apologies if this was covered during the pre-season, but are the sharks
-> going to keep the obnoxious "Miller Gen-U-Whine Draft" zamboni all year?
-> The least they should do is paint some teal on that sucker, or bring back
-> the fin! :-)
And my apologies if someone has already responded, but...
I caught the practice on tuesday and the zamboni has a fin, now.
It was really difficult to tell who anyone was, having only seen most of them
only in the edmonton broadcast, but if Larionov is who I thought he was, he
skated, and had a great time.
Another interesing note: Falloon and Odgers were a pair on the 2-1, 2-2, 3-2
breaks they were running.
-Arik
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 13 16:17 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 93 16:16:17 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Sharks Lunch
>Irbe speaks Russian,
>Lativian, English *and* German. You learn to speak a lot of languages in the
>Latvian school system.)
Also, if I heard right, some Finnish (or was that Tikhonov?)
Highlight of the afternoon for Irbe: one of the servers saw the Latvian flag
and came over. She was Latvian, and they had a great chat (in Latvian).
Irbe really lit up with that one.
Very nice man. Unlike last year with Neil Wilksinson, we weren't fighting
the player off of the spare rolls, deserts, women... (well, Neil is a
growing boy!)
>4. Vlasti Kroupa doesn't speak a lot of English. He looked very
>uncomfortable at his table--he did a lot of nodding and smiling.
But handled it pretty well, given the circumstances. The kid (and kid he is)
has a LOT of poise for being an 18 year old in a foreign country without
much international hockey experience.
>5. Constantine looked alternately peeved and cranky throughout the media's
>"smarmy" speeches.
"Suffering fools gladly" doesn't seem to be on Constantine's resume. I find
this refreshing.
To the plus, the smarmy speeches were kept nicely short, and both the
politicians and the Chamber of commerce folks kept themselves nicely
under control. Randy Hahn did nice vacuous baritone things very nicely
and vacuously, and Pete Stemkowski didn't speak at all (yay!), while
Rusanowski did a reasonable job of sounding almost prepared during the
introductions (only missed one player, Gaetan Duschense, and caught that
later. some of the intros were quite good. Some were rather lame, but that's
normal).
>6. Constantine certainly set the tone of how he *knows* the season is going
>to go. This definitely was *not* your kindly great-uncle talking in your
>general direction (ala last year). Constantine definitely doesn't pull
>punches--whether it's how he feels about the team, having to go practice
>elsewhere today, armchair coaches from the media, the local print media, or the
>fans (he likes the noise we make at the games). He expects the team to kick
>butt out there on the ice.
My comment: This is not a man you want mad at you. (Irbe giggled). He
definitely seems to be of the "skate until the first man pukes" school.
I want to meet his wife, though. One thing Constantine did ask was that all
fans stay happily ignorant of hockey and remain fans, rather tahn become
assistant coaches. He says he has enough assistant coaches, like his wife.
(then followed a number of really funny bits. He calls his wife after every
game. "Hi, dear, How are you?" After Edmonton: "Another too many men on the
ice penalty?" After Calgary "Great second period, dear". After the Kings, he
surprised her and didn't call, but they flew home after the game. When he
got home and crawled into bed, he says the first thing he heard was not
"Hi", but "I hate it when you pull the goalie. You just lose by one more
goal!" (Irbe, at this, smiled and said something like "I like Mrs.
Constantine").
He also reminded folks that whenever a referee calls something against the
Sharks, he's wrong, adn to act accordingly.
But he said, point blank, that he said on the first day of practice and
still believes that the team's job is not to be respectable, not to squeak
into the playoffs, but to win the Stanley Cup. He'll accept nothing less
as satisfactory from the players and from himself.
Kingston he ain't. From the reactions of the players I could see around me,
they do seem to respect him, and they seem to agree that "respectable" isn't
a respectable goal this year. They're looking to knock off anyoone they
can. I don't beleive we'll see as many #2 goalies this year....
>7. I'll bet there were a lot of players eating lunch after they ate lunch.
The food: wow. I'm whelmed. (I expected to be whelmed. Cooking for 800, which
was today's attendance, ain't easy).
>8. The lunch was more disjoint than last year's lunch. One of the oopsies
>was the giveaways--last year they gave away quite a few small
Definitely a smaller haul than last year, and disapointing to folks.
Ohwell.
>General--nice to see people from the list! We had a chance to talk and look
>at Dave's *huge* card collection. Wow.
>The arena continues to impress. It's an amazingly nice place to be,
>especialy after the Cow Palace.
Definitely!.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 13 16:29 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 16:28:47 -0800
From: email@hidden (Brian Bechtel)
Subject: Re: Sharks Lunch
Laurie writes:
>1. The lunch was held in the arena--on the arena ice.
Having sat down low at Anaheim, and sitting on the ice in San Jose, I'd
much rather be an opposing player in Anaheim. I thought the crowd was
somewhat intimidating there--heck, the empty SEATS were intimidating in San
Jose. From the ice, you can easily imagine a claustrophobic feeling for
opposing players. And if we make noise, they can REALLY hear it. Good
stuff!
>2. We had Arturs Irbe at our (Dave Comstock, Chuq and I) table, and Sandish
>Ozolinsh at the next table over (Brian Bechtel, Lou Fischer, et al).
Sandis speaks very good English. He and his wife [Lou was trying to get
Sandis to point out the single Sharks, and trying to convince Sandis to get
his wife interested in the female league Lou plays in] are living at the
Hilton, along with about 10 other Shark players. (The Sharks foot the
bill.) Sandra Ozolinsh hangs out with Irbe's wife--it sounded like a
pretty lonely life.
Sandis claims Larionov is coming along, but probably won't play until
Saturday against the Bruins. It was clearly a great honor for him to be
playing with Larionov and Makarov... he mentioned about when he was 13
years old, watching them on television.
>4. Vlasti Kroupa doesn't speak a lot of English. He looked very
>uncomfortable at his table--he did a lot of nodding and smiling.
Kroupa is SO young. I've got stuff in my refrigerator older than him.
>We had a chance to talk and look at Dave's *huge* card collection. Wow.
Man, Dave Comstock has cards the companies haven't yet printed. It's an
impressive collection, even to people like me who don't collect cards.
--Brian Bechtel email@hidden "My opinion, not Apple's"
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 13 16:54 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 93 16:53:24 PDT
From: email@hidden (Alan Hepburn)
Subject: Re: Sharks Lunch
Brian notes:
"Having sat down low at Anaheim, and sitting on the ice in San Jose, I'd
much rather be an opposing player in Anaheim. I thought the crowd was
somewhat intimidating there--heck, the empty SEATS were intimidating in San
Jose. From the ice, you can easily imagine a claustrophobic feeling for
opposing players. And if we make noise, they can REALLY hear it. Good
stuff!"
That was my impression when I was skating around the Epicentre during
the open skate: I looked up at the seats and they really looked
CLOSE! As big as the place is, the last row of seats in the upper
deck are seemingly on top of you. Opposing players are really going
hear us when we lift the roof off the place!
---
Alan Hepburn "If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens,
National Semiconductor how incapable must Man be of learning from experience.
Santa Clara, Ca
email@hidden George Bernard Shaw
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 13 16:59 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 16:56:44 -0700
From: Richard Stueven
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Kings 5-2
>7. Talking about "great," the Great One appears to be free of the back
> trouble that he had last season...
Eh? I thought Wilson _retired_ because of his back trouble...
have fun
gak
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 13 17:52 PDT 1993
Date: 13 Oct 1993 18:00:42 -0800
From: "Dave Comstock"
Subject: Last Minute Tix For Sale!
Subject: Time:5:39 PM
OFFICE MEMO Last Minute Tix For Sale! Date:10/13/93
Well, with all the crises at work the last week and a half, I've finally had a
few minutes to catch my breath. And guess what? I still have three single $38
tickets left for tomorrow night's opening game!
Section 102, Row 20, Seat 3 (blueline)
Section 113, Row 19, Seat 9 (face-off circle)
Section 128, Row 18, Seat 5 (face-off circle)
Price is face value (and remember that the first 15 rows in each of these
sections are either $65 or $55), so these seats should be great!
Opening Night festivities start at 7:30PM. Game starts at 8PM.
If you're interested, please contact me immediately at (408)974-0084. I can
leave tickets at Will Call or possibly even drop them off if you work or live
in the South Bay Area.
Dave Comstock
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 13 20:28 PDT 1993
Date: 13 Oct 1993 20:33:54 -0800
From: "Dave Comstock"
Subject: One Ticket Left!
Subject: Time:5:39 PM
OFFICE MEMO One Ticket Left! Date:10/13/93
[ARGGH! Our VoiceMail system is down for the evening for "periodic
maintenance". If you're interested, please call (408)974-0084 tomorrow
morning.]
Two of my tickets for the home opener have been spoken for, but the third is
still available:
Section 128, Row 18, Seat 5 (face-off circle)
Price is $38 (face value).
Dave Comstock
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 14 08:16 PDT 1993
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 93 08:14:50 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: List down this weekend!
Advance warning to list readers: the building that houses medraut will be
offline this weekend for some work, and we've been told to shut down
all machines. Because of this, no mail will be flowing from about 3PM
Friday until sometimes Monday morning. Don't be alarmed by the silence,
but don't expect anything to get through until next week.
chuq
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 14 08:31 PDT 1993
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 93 08:33:55 PDT
From: email@hidden (Steve Worth)
Subject: Opening night happenings per Matt Levine
Just heard on KNBR, Matt Levine was telling about tonights happenings.
If you don't want to know delete now.
The first thing he said that they'll introduce and have at every game will
be Air Shark, it will have a tv camera mounted inside for over the ice
shots. It will also supposedly drop prizes and info to fans.
Second all the players will introduced as they exit giant sharks jaws
with red eyes and teeth, pumping fog during all this.
While all this is happening or before they will have graphics of Sharks
coming out of the ocean coming to San Jose.
Sounds like it could be interesting.
GO SHARKS!
Steve 219/10/1-2
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 14 08:56 PDT 1993
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 08:44:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tim Cottrell 387-2035
Subject: Vlasti Kroupa
Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 08:46:00 -0700 (PDT)
Priority: normal
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In the recent mail list postings I'm hearing Vlasti Kroupa's name
a lot. Could I get some info on him? Who is he (I take it he's a mere
lad still)? What position does he play? Who does he play with and
what are his credentials?
Thanks in advance,
TC
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 14 09:34 PDT 1993
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 09:33:16 -0800
From: email@hidden (Brian Bechtel)
Subject: Re: Vlasti Kroupa
> In the recent mail list postings I'm hearing Vlasti Kroupa's name
> a lot. Could I get some info on him? Who is he (I take it he's a mere
> lad still)? What position does he play? Who does he play with and
> what are his credentials?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> TC
Vlastimil Kroupa, the second 2nd round draft pick by the Sharks, taken 45th
overall. 18 Years old. Defenseman, shoots left. Suprise success for the
Sharks. Very young; the youngest player on the Sharks.
Round Player Team Pos Height Weight
2(45) Vlastimil Kroupa Czech/Slovak Jr. Team D 6' 2" 176
Vlastimil Kroupa 6-2 176 L 4/27/75 Most, Czech.
Comments from various people:
Dan Rusanowsky on KLIV:
Vlastimil Kroupa: Really good defenseman with a tough side and mean streak!
Offensively, he reminds the Sharks of Ozolinsh. Great stick skills, a good
skater and has great vision as to who is on the ice.
Ben Hays (East Coast scout) told [Chuq Von Rospach] they think Kroupa will
be the steal of the draft, and that he will be as good as, if not better
than, Pronger. He has certainly exceeded every expectation anyone on the
team had of him.
--Brian Bechtel email@hidden "My opinion, not Apple's"
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 14 10:11 PDT 1993
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 93 10:09:39 -0700
From: Kevin Ball
Subject: Ticket 4 Tonite
Shark-Byters,
Due to a last minute cancellation, I have one extra ticket to tonite's
season opener up in the rafters of sec 209 ($14). Anyone interested?
Thanks,
Kevin Ball
email@hidden
(408)447-5341
Epicentre: 209/16/1&2
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 14 10:43 PDT 1993
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 10:41:40 -0700
From: Richard Stueven
Subject: GAME NIGHT!!!
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see you there
gak
209/15/19&20
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 14 10:58 PDT 1993
From: Jeff Gilbert
Subject: Opening Night
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1993 13:56:21 -0400 (EDT)
If anyone is taping the home opener, I would really appreciate the opportunity
to see it!
I'm out in Michigan, going to school, and have no way of watching my home town
team (except when they play the Redwings).
Thanks in advance.
Jeff Gilbert (email@hidden)
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 14 10:58 PDT 1993
From: "Jeffrey T. Johnson"
Subject: Opening Night Seating Chart
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 93 10:56:29 PDT
Here's the last Epicenter seating info for the email@hidden
mailing list (Shark Bytes):
Last name sort:
Brian Ackley email@hidden 118/17/7-8
Robert Allen email@hidden
Joe Balboa email@hidden 224/15/5-6
Kevin Ball email@hidden 209/16/1-2
Jeff Bandle email@hidden
Ron Barnett email@hidden 219/4/8-9
Brian Bechtel email@hidden 211/10/13-14
Laura Berg email@hidden
Gary Bolles email@hidden 202/2/9-12
Darren & Susan Busing email@hidden 209/14/14-17
Rick Casares email@hidden
Craig Cirimele email@hidden 204/13/1-4
Malinda Cirimele email@hidden 204/13/1-4
Jason Cockroft email@hidden 209/16/5-6
Dave Comstock email@hidden 120/7/7-10
Rick Costanza email@hidden 209/17/14-18
Mark Davis email@hidden 216/6/7-10
David Dobrikin email@hidden 211/15/14-19
Rob Eccles email@hidden 203/7/1-2
Mike & Ruth Eisler email@hidden 213/14/23-25
Samuel Feldman email@hidden 217/6/11-14
Lou Fischer email@hidden 219/7/7-8
Dave Formenti email@hidden 110/11/5-6
(Shark Bait Club) " 102/24/13-16
" 102/25/15-16
" 204/1/5-6
Daryll & Dee Dee France email@hidden 117/21/11-12
Don Garka email@hidden 216/4/9-10
Jeff Heilner email@hidden Arizona!
Alan Hepburn email@hidden 225/16/17-20
Dave Hoffman email@hidden 209/17/5-9
Mike Hornbuckle email@hidden 209/17/14-18
Mari Ivener email@hidden 209/15/11-12
Peter Jacobs email@hidden 210/15/11-13
Jeff & Lee Ann Johnson email@hidden 203/8/9-10
Kristine Kopp email@hidden 118/18/5-6
Paul Krill email@hidden 205/14/9-10
Michael Larson email@hidden 211/14/14-15
Derek LeLash email@hidden 225/16/15-16
John LeMoncheck email@hidden 217/6/11-14
Dave Licurse, Jr. David M. Licurse Jr:OSBU North 209/17/14-18
Tim Lobert email@hidden 211/13/9-14
L'Rae via email@hidden 203/6/9
Nelson Lu email@hidden
Patrick MacRoberts email@hidden
Kevin McCallum email@hidden 106/3/3-4
Ed McGettigan email@hidden
Bruce McKenzie email@hidden 127/22/13-14
Keith McMahan email@hidden 202/5/7-8
Doug Moran email@hidden
David Moore email@hidden 202/8/7-10
Dan Morris email@hidden 112/10/5-6
Rob Nomura email@hidden 201/6/1-2
Greg Olson email@hidden
John Onusko email@hidden
Rich Piziali email@hidden 219/7/1-2
Moshe Preil email@hidden 209/17/5-9
Carol Preston email@hidden
Girard Ramsay email@hidden 120/6/8-9
Rick Rees email@hidden 116/25/1-2
Evan Robinson email@hidden 118/22/18
John Rocchio email@hidden
Lance Rostege email@hidden 209/17/14-18
Ed Rush email@hidden 117/17/11-12
Rick Ryder email@hidden 209/16/7-8
Andy Santoro email@hidden 220/14/23-24
David Schnepper email@hidden 217/6/11-14
Erik Schwartz email@hidden 223/6/12-13
Laurie Sefton email@hidden 127/4/1-2
Laura Shaffer email@hidden
Tom Soukup email@hidden 109/24/16-17
Mark Spiegel email@hidden 220/3/10-13
Bill St. Croix email@hidden 104/24/3-4
Ellon St. Croix email@hidden 104/24/3-4
Clare & Stephen Stich email@hiddenT 219/13/19-20
Stormwind email@hidden 215/6/5-8
Rich Strauber email@hidden 115/17/18
Richard Stueven email@hidden 209/15/19-20
John Sullivan email@hidden 213/3/7-8
Kara Taylor 209/16/20-21
Ralph Torres email@hidden 216/6/21-22
Brian Tramontana email@hidden
Chuq Von Rospach email@hidden 127/4/1-2
Doug Whisler kahului!email@hidden 124/1/5
Nicola White email@hidden 209/17/5-9
Todd White email@hidden 128/18/17-18
Steve Worth email@hidden 219/10/1-2
Mitch Wright email@hidden
Ken Zarifes email@hidden 118/22/17
Section Number Sort: (with usual Epicenter attire in parenthesis)
102/24/13-16 Shark Bait Club
102/25/15-16 Shark Bait Club
104/24/3-4 Bill & Ellon St. Croix
106/3/3-4 Kevin McCallum [50%]
109/24/16-17 Tom Soukup
110/11/5-6 Shark Bait Club
112/10/5-6 Dan Morris
115/17/18 Rich Strauber
116/25/1-2 Rick Rees
117/17/11-12 Ed Rush (Kisio teal #11)
117/21/11-12 Daryll and Dee Dee France
118/17/7-8 Brian Ackley
118/18/5-6 Kristine Kopp
118/22/17 Ken Zarifes
118/22/18 Evan Robinson
120/6/8-9 Girard Ramsay
120/7/7-10 Dave Comstock
124/1/5 Doug Whisler
127/4/1-2 Chuq Von Rospach, Laurie Sefton
127/22/13-14 Bruce McKenzie
128/18/17-18 Todd White
201/6/1-2 Rob Nomura
202/2/9-12 Gary Bolles
202/5/7-8 Keith McMahan
202/8/7-10 David Moore
203/6/9 L'Rae
203/7/1-2 Rob Eccles
203/8/9 Jeff Johnson (Gaudreau teal #37)
203/8/10 Lee Ann Johnson
204/1/5-6 Shark Bait Club
204/13/1-4 Craig & Malinda Cirimele
205/14/9-10 Paul Krill
209/14/14-17 Darren & Susan Busing
209/15/11-12 Mari Ivener
209/15/19-20 Richard Stueven
209/16/1-2 Kevin Ball
209/16/5-6 Jason Cockroft
209/16/7-8 Rick Ryder
209/16/20-21 Kara Taylor
209/17/5-9 Dave Hoffman, Moshe Preil, Nicola White
209/17/14 Pop Hornbuckle
209/17/15 Mike Hornbuckle
209/17/16 Rick Costanza
209/17/17 Lance Rostege
209/17/18 Dave Licurse Jr.
210/15/11-13 Peter Jacobs
211/10/13-14 Brian Bechtel
211/13/9-14 Tim Lobert
211/14/14-15 Michael Larson
211/15/14-19 David Dobrikin, John Sullivan
213/3/7-8 David Dobrikin, John Sullivan
213/14/23-25 Mike & Ruth Eisler
215/6/5-8 Stormwind
216/4/9-10 Don Garka
216/6/7-10 Mark Davis
216/6/21-22 Ralph Torres
217/6/11-14 Samuel Feldman, Dave Schnepper, John LeMoncheck
219/4/8-9 Ron Barnett (Kisio #11)
219/7/1-2 Rich Piziali
219/7/7-8 Lou Fischer
219/10/1-2 Steve Worth
219/13/19-20 Clare & Stephen Stich
220/3/10-13 Mark Spiegel
220/14/23-24 Andy Santoro (Wilson teal #24)
223/6/12-13 Erik Schwartz
224/15/5-6 Joe Balboa [SP]
225/16/15-16 Derek LeLash (#13)
225/16/17-20 Alan Hepburn [SP]
--
Jeff Johnson | Cisco Systems, Inc | voice: (415) 688-7789
Software Engineer | 1525 O'Brien Drive | fax: (415) 688-4575
Router Management | Menlo Park, CA 94025 | email: email@hidden
The difference between ignorance and apathy? I don't know and I don't care
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 14 12:08 PDT 1993
Date: 14 Oct 1993 12:16:45 -0800
From: "Dave Comstock"
Subject: Tickets Are Sold
Subject: Time:12:13 PM
OFFICE MEMO Tickets Are Sold Date:10/14/93
Thanks to Dave Formenti and Bruce McKenzie, all three of my single tickets for
tonight have been sold.
Dave
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 14 12:09 PDT 1993
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 93 11:04:48 PDT
From: email@hidden (Rob Eccles)
Subject: SHARKS Tickets For Sale
I am unable to attend several Saturday evening games
this month, so I must part with the tickets.
October 23 vs. Vancouver @ 7:30 PM
and
October 30 vs. Washington @ 7:30 PM
Seats: Section 203 (corner view of goal Sharks shoot at for 2 periods)
Row 7
Seats 1&2 (aisle seats)
Cost: $28 each (face value)
Please contact me if you are interested in either of these games.
Rob Eccles
408-730-3671 (work)
email@hidden
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 14 16:08 PDT 1993
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 93 16:06:18 PDT
From: email@hidden (David Verderosa)
Subject: For Sale-Club seats
For Sale:
2 Seats in Section 106, Row 16, Seats: F16,F17 (aisle).
They are located in the Club section, in the zone the Sharks
shoot at twice, near the face off circle. Includes access to
all Club specific facilities.
Tickets include free $10.00 parking pass (right outside arena).
Cost: $55 (face value) x 2 = $110 for the pair.
Games are all 7:30 PM
10/20 Mighty Ducks
10/23 Vancouver Canucks
10/30 Washington Caps
11/5 Dallas Stars
Please call me if interested.
David Verderosa
415-336-5145 (work)
email@hidden
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 01:19 PDT 1993
From: Nelson Lu
Subject: Sharks lose to Flames 2-1
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 01:18:24 -0700 (PDT)
Thursday, October 14, 8:00 P. M. at the San Jose Arena:
Arturs Irbe had a great game, but the Sharks, hampered by injuries already,
were limited to a franchise-record low 13 shots in the game, as the offense
never really got on track, to spoil Irbe's 31-save effort to lose 2-1, in their
first regular season game ever at the new San Jose Arena. Mike Vernon was
never really challenged much, stoping 12 of 13 shots for the victory.
The Flames out-shot the Sharks 17-4 in the first period, and, although the game
wasn't as lop-sided as the shot count indicated, the Flames could very well be
said to have been in control during the period, but Irbe stopped them from
blowing the Sharks away, making save after save, but he could not stop Al
MacInnis at 8:36. Robert Reichel had won a faceoff at the left faceoff circle
in the Sharks zone, and the puck bounced off Wes Walz's stick back to MacInnis,
who let go a blistering shot through a screen past Irbe.
The second period was somewhat more even, as the Sharks tied the game at 5:03.
Vlastimil Kroupa had picked up the loose puck at center ice, and he went on
a 3-on-2 with Pat Falloon and Kip Miller, and he fed it up to Falloon, who
made a great lead pass to Miller, who tapped the puck past Vernon for the goal.
However, the Flames, who out-shot the Sharks 10-4 in the period, would take the
lead for good at 7:24, while working on a power-play. Kevin Dahl had let go
a strong point shot, and Joe Nieuwendyk deflected it in front past Irbe, with
Theoren Fleury also getting an assist. (I was actually on the phone at the
time, so if anyone has a better description, please help.)
During the final period the Flames were more or less content to try to hold
their lead, as they iced the puck a number of times, but the Sharks, who lost
a great number of faceoffs, failed to take advantage. They pulled Irbe with
about a minute left in the game, but Vernon made a great save on a blistering
shot by Jeff Norton, and that was the Sharks' best chance. Paul Ranheim's
attempt at the empty net at the buzzer missed, but that would be moot anyway.
Tonight's three stars:
1. Joe Nieuwendyk
2. Arturs Irbe
3. Al MacInnis
Tonight's lines:
Jeff Odgers Kip Miller Pat Falloon
David Bruce Dave Capuano Sergei Makarov
Gaetan Duchesne Jamie Baker Rob Gaudreau
Mike Sullivan
(I will explain below...)
Tonight's defensive combinations:
Sandis Ozolinsh Doug Zmolek
Vlastimil Kroupa Jeff Norton
Mike Lalor Jason More
Michal Sykora
Shawn Cronin
Scratches: Igor Larionov (shoulder), Johan Garpenlov (thigh),
Bob Errey (ribs), David Maley, Ray Whitney, Rob Zettler.
Notes:
1. Due to injuries to Johan Garpenlov and Bob Errey (in addition to
Igor Larionov, who had also missed the first three games of the season)
coach Kevin Constantine elected to dress *8* defenseman. (*I* wouldn't
do this, but then again, they hired him, not me.) The three lines
were more or less intact, although Constantine threw players together
at times as necessary; in particular, towards the end of the game, he
was playing Falloon on the Capuano-Makarov line in order to get more
offense in. Mike Sullivan was thrown in as necessary.
2. Shawn Cronin made his Shark debut, and was on ice for only about a
shift or two before disappearing for the rest of the game. (Obviously
disappointed that Craig Berube is no longer a Flame. :-)) (If that is
the case, why not dress David Maley or Ray Whitney, or both?)
3. The difference was probably a lot smaller than the 33-13 shot count
indicated; but the Sharks' offense still should be said to have had
*a lot* of problems. All kinds of shots were going wide, or going
high, or fanned, etc., etc. This may be bad luck, or may represent
a genuine problem. Garpenlov and Larionov would have helped greatly
tonight. (I hope.)
4. Irbe is in great form. This, and given the fact that he was making
his second straight start, may mean that he has won the #1 job, but
we still have to wait and see.
5. Vesa Vitakowski looks like an excellent acquisition by the Flames, as
he was everywhere tonight.
6. Has the Clinton Administration hired Dan Marouelli to monitor the war
in Bosnia, or what? This man let all kinds of atrocities fly tonight
without penalty. There were a couple by the Sharks, but mostly they
were done by the Flames. (Joel Otto trying to instigate a fight with
Sullivan? Come on, Joel...)
7. Rob Zettler was interviewed by Chris Collins on radio during the
second period, and he sounded *very* unhappy about the fact that he's
been scratched for the first four games of the season. Collins
mentioned rumors that he may be heading to Edmonton, and he did not
comment.
===============================================================================
GO EDMONTON OILERS! Go for playoffs! Bill Ranford for Vezina!
GO DALLAS STARS! Go for playoffs! Ulf Dahlen for Lady Byng!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (email@hidden)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 01:48 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 01:46:52 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: statistics for the Calgary game
Not one of the best efforts from the 93-94 Sharks, alas.
The winning goal was rather interesting. From my seat, it looked
like Irbe just flat missed it. Some folks in my section thought
that was because he was screened. Someone else said it was
deflected.
Well, I got home and watched the videotape a few times. Hahn and
Stempy thought a Flame had deflected it. It looks to me, though,
that the slo-mo shows Jay More trying to bat it down with his
stick, and deflecting it slightly down, to make Irbe miss it.
Bad break. Nice idea, Jay, but when it fails it is a very bad idea!
Anyhow, here are the stats from Mercury Center:
SUMMARY: FLAMES 2, SHARKS 1 10/14/93
Calgary 1..1..0--2
San Jose 0..1..0--1
First Period--1, Calgary, MacInnis 3 (Walz, Reichel), 8:36.
Penalties--Sykora, SJ (tripping), 4:47;
Duchesne, SJ (interference), 8:44;
Petit, Calgary (tripping), 13:11;
Roberts, Calgary (roughing), 18:33;
Lalor, SJ (roughing), 18:33.
Second Period--2, San Jose, Miller 1 (Falloon, Kroupa), 5:03.
3, Calgary, Nieuwendyk 3 (Dahl, Fleury), 7:24 (pp).
Penalties--Sykora, SJ (holding), 5:36;
Petit, Calgary(holding), 9:57;
Irbe, SJ, served by Miller (interference), 11:32;
Roberts, Calgary (hooking), 19:02.
Third Period--None.
Penalties--Musil, Calgary (holding), 7:44;
Odgers, SJ (holding), 8:12.
Shots on goal--Calgary 17-10-6--33.
San Jose 4- 4-5--13.
Power-play Opportunities--Calgary 1 of 5; San Jose 0 of 4.
Goalies--Calgary, Vernon, 3-0-0 (13 shots-12 saves).
San Jose, Irbe, 0-3-0 (33-31).
A--17,190.
Referee--Dan Marouelli. Linesmen--Ryan Bozak, Dan Schachte.
MERCURY CENTER CODE: S000 ID: me32266s
Transmitted: 93-10-15 01:45:34 EDT
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| Ed Rush, not speaking for Metaphor, Mtn. View, CA |
| Internet: email@hidden |
| "My Macintosh doesn't go out in the rain." |
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 01:59 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 01:58:17 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: AP story on home opener
This was posted on Mercury Center/America Online, so I see no
reason not to repeat it here:
SHARKS DROP ARENA OPENER 10/14/93
By DENNIS GEORGATOS
Associated Press
SAN JOSE -- On a night of firsts at the new San Jose Arena, the
Calgary Flames came away with the ones that counted most.
Calgary, getting goals from Al MacInnis and Joe Nieuwendyk, beat
the Sharks 2-1 Thursday night in the first regular season game at
the $155 million, 17,310-seat arena.
The Flames outshot the Sharks 33-13 in running their record to
4-0, their best start ever, surpassing 3-0 beginnings in 1989-90
and 1990-91.
Calgary remains the only NHL team not to allow a power-play goal
this season. The Flames denied the Sharks each of the four times
San Jose had a man advantage and are 20-for-20 killing penalties
on the season.
For the Sharks, who set record for most losses in a season last
year (71), it was more of the same. Their 0-4 start is the worst
in the three-year history of the team, which spent its first two
seasons at the Cow Palace in Daly City while awaiting completion
of their San Jose home, a 10-story structure of concrete, steel
and glass.
The shot total by the Sharks also was a franchise low. Their
previous low was 14 against Edmonton last February.
For a while, the game took a back seat to elaborate opening
ceremonies, which pushed the initial faceoff back 30 minutes to
8 p.m. PDT.
Sharks owner George Gund thanked the crowd for coming out and
promised a tougher team on the ice.
NHL commissioner Gary Bettman, greeted by boos from fans recalling
he cost the Sharks two free agents when he overturned the team's
contract offers, neverthess proclaimed it a great night for hockey
in a state-of-the-art building.
The pre-game hoopla included an arena flyover by AirShark, a
remote control 28-foot-long, shark-shaped blimp, and computerized
video images of sharks making their way from the sea to the arena,
where they were transformed into images of human Shark players.
But it was Calgary which broke the ice in the building.
Robert Reichel beat Jamie Baker in a faceoff with the puck coming
off to the top of the circle, where MacInnis drove a slapshot past
Arturs Irbe for the first goal at the arena at 8:36 of the first.
The Sharks pulled into a tie at 5:03 of the second when Pat
Falloon dished off to Kip Miller, who knocked the puck into the
corner of the net with a slapshot from 35 feet out.
Calgary regained the lead just over two minutes later on
Nieuwendyk's power-play goal.
MERCURY CENTER CODE: S000 ID: me22154h
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 02:40 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 02:39:27 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Tickets for sale
First, for myself: My friend cannot make it to the Pittsburgh game,
on 2nd November. I would like to either (1) sell a single seat,
117/17/12, for $38, or (2) sell both 117/17/11-12 and buy some other
seat for myself, anywhere $38 or under. For this ticket or tickets,
reply by e-mail.
Second, for a non-netter: for the following games, telephone
Scott Edwards at 408-425-1417 and do not e-mail me. He neglected
to tell me the price, but it looks like they are $28 or $24.
Unless otherwise noted, the Scott Edwards tickets are in 201/10/9-10.
30 October, Washington
5 November, Dallas
7 November, New Jersey
5 December, Miami (the Panthers)
17 January, Calgary
25 January, New York Rangers
(Rangers game is 211/11/9-10)
6 March, Anaheim Ducks
8 March, Buffalo
FOOTNOTE: It is a good thing I stayed up late to post all this stuff,
because it is pouring rain and my skylights were open.
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| Ed Rush, not speaking for Metaphor, Mtn. View, CA |
| Internet: email@hidden |
| "My Macintosh doesn't go out in the rain." |
| Epicenter 117/17/11-12 |
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 08:41 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 08:25:10 PDT
From: email@hidden (Alan Hepburn)
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Flames 2-1
Well, opening night at the Epicentre was great, except for
the final score! A short 10 minute drive took us from our
house to the parking lot at Santa Clara and Almaden (I think)
where we paid $5 to park. A short stroll of under 10 minutes
got us inside the Epicentre, where we mingled with the crowd,
meeting several friends who we expected to see, and some we
didn't expect to see. Then the real short walk to the right on the
concourse to section 226/225, up the flight of stairs to row 16
and into our seats.
The air conditioning has been worked on; there's an outlet pointing
down onto us, and both the kids complained that it was cold towards
the end of the game! The sound system sucks big time. The music
was unintelligible, and Kelly's announcements are barely audible. The
music almost sounded like they blew out the speakers during the
preseason. Air Shark was cute; I can see the possibility of a lot
of fun with him, if handled correctly. The shark head is impressive,
especially when we score, but I think it should be mounted over the
opponent's goal, rather than where it is.
The game itself left a lot to be desired. I've been telling everybody
that the Sharks look a lot more aggressive this year, and that we
will kick some serious posterior in our own division. Well, we sure
saw a lot of poor play last night, and poor officiating. I can't
understand how the NHLOA thinks they can justify their contract
demands when the officiating isn't up to Junior quality, let alone
NHL quality.
We saw some fancy passing all night, but Kevin had better start showing
the guys what the net looks like; 13 shots on goal is a disgrace!
Too many times we passed to a Flame, or skated away from the puck in our
own zone. Nobody was playing the body all night; checks were missed
regularly, or not even attempted. Pulling up short rather than going
into the corner just doesn't work in the NHL. Ozolinsh looked like
he was afraid to test his knee all night; he rarely went near the puck
if it was in a corner, and he seemed to be favouring the kneee a lot.
The only bright spot was Arturs. Some of the saves he had to make were
stunning! But his interference penalty was ludicrous (see the comment
on officiating above)!
Finally, the trip home: we stayed in our seats to see the 3 stars
announced, then headed down the stairs toward the exit. The wife
had to make a pit stop so we hung around the concourse at the top of
the escalators waiting for her, then my young son decided he wanted some
balloons so we liberated some of those. Then a nice stroll back to
the parking lot, where we waited in line behind 3 cars to get out onto the
road. A short drive over to Julian, and we were on the freeway. Ten
minutes later we pulled into our garage. We have decided that we will
most likely drive to each game, since we would have to drive most of
the way to ride the train, and it costs $7 for the four of us to ride
the train, the bus would also be $7, and parking is $5. We could park
in the lot under Guadalupe at Santa Clara for $7, so we may use that lot
when it rains. Overall, driving isn't that bad, and traffic flows
quite well after the game.
I don't know how long it will last, but at the information booth I
signed up as a designated driver and got a coupon for a free small soda.
I also heard that Miller will pay your cab fare if you decide you
shouldn't drive home.
---
Alan Hepburn "If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens,
National Semiconductor how incapable must Man be of learning from experience.
Santa Clara, Ca
email@hidden George Bernard Shaw
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 10:12 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 10:10:25 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Flames 2-1
>Arturs Irbe had a great game, but the Sharks, hampered by injuries already,
>were limited to a franchise-record low 13 shots in the game,
Actually, I thought the shot-count guy did a fairly poor job last night. The
Sharks had, oh, probably a whole 17 or 18 shots.
And I think to SOME degree even that number isn't quite right, because when
they were generating offense, it was the patented Shark version of "take a
shot, miss the net".
This is one of those games where you come home and look at the score and
look at the shot count and think that neither is representative of the game,
but when you try to describe WHY, the game defeats you. It could have been
4-1 Flames. It could have been 3-2 Sharks. It could have been 3-2 Flames.
There were times when you sat back and expected the blowout to begin, but it
never did.
I think it's because 2-1 isn't indicative of how BAD the offense was last
night, but it actually wasn't the offense. the vast majority of the problem
was center ice passing (or the lack of it). You can't score if you can't get
it in the zone and set it up, and the Sharks were simply not clicking on
their passes all night. Some of that was that the Flames were playing very,
very good positional hockey and anticipating exceptionaly well, so every
time the Sharks passed, there was a red jersey in the way. But even ignoring
that, the Sharks looked real ragged trying to get into the offensive zone
and in the transition game.
On the other hand, once we got through the first 12-14 minutes, the Sharks
defense settled down and played pretty well. It just didn't translate to
anything beyond the defensive blueline. But 33 shots on goal against is a
pretty good number, and with only a one goal lead, Calgary didn't exactly
spend much time sitting on its heels (maybe the last five-7 minutes were
played with a lot of dump and wait, and even then, they were looking for the
extra goal).
Irbe looked VERY sharp, too.
>Robert Reichel had won a faceoff at the left faceoff circle
>in the Sharks zone, and the puck bounced off Wes Walz's stick back to MacInnis,
>who let go a blistering shot through a screen past Irbe.
Good screen. Good shot.
>Vlastimil Kroupa had picked up the loose puck at center ice, and he went on
Kroupa looked good again. he's impressing me as a good, solid two-way
defenseman who is also quite good at carrying the puck up the ice. Most of
the solid offensive play seemed to start when Kroupa finally stopped trying
to pass the puck around out of the zone and just dug in his edges and
carried it.
He also, much to my amazement, at one point deked the pants off Fleury and
got around him. Fleury just stared in amazement for a second. The kid has
some style. He had a couple of rookie bloops, including one ratehr nasty
giveaway right in front of Arturs in the second, but he also recovered
quickly (and besides, most of the other sharks were giving up the same kind
of stuff, although not 15 feet in front of the crease. The Flames were right
in all the passing lanes all night, and the Sharks were having major
problems with it)
What impresses me about Kroupa is his poise. He's playing like a much older,
more experienced player, and he's being used on some of the top offensive
players in the league and holding his own.
>Jeff Odgers Kip Miller Pat Falloon
Odgers wore the "C" last night. In the paper, it was noted this was because
Errey was out. Does this mean they've voted Errey captain? If so, I missed
the notice. Nobody wore "A"'s last night.
One thing I noted. Jeff is significantly faster this year. He's clearly
worked on it on the offseason, and his puckhandling and general skating
speed and balance are noticably better. Should make this year interesting.
> Sandis Ozolinsh Doug Zmolek
> Vlastimil Kroupa Jeff Norton
> Mike Lalor Jason More
> Michal Sykora
> Shawn Cronin
Norton seem to do a fair amount of double-shifting, adn the lines shifted
about all night. Sykora's time was somewhat limited, and Cronin, as far as I
can tell, skated two or three lines all night (his primary skills seems to
be skating (slowly) up to someone and hitting them with a stick to see if
they'll fight him. Nobody took him up on the offer.
> (*I* wouldn't
> do this, but then again, they hired him, not me.)
Thank you for the straight line, Nelson. I'll be nice, though. (grin).
Given that neither Zettler or Rathje were dressed again, I think it gives
some creedence to rumor that they're holding Rathje on the big team only
because they haven't been able to buy out his WHL contract so they can
assign him to the Blades instead of returning him to juniors (where he'd be
wasting his time).
And given that Zettler was a very, very very late scratch (given that the
pregame intros were set up to introduce him and NOT to introduce Cronin,
causing some embarassment and confusion, although Cronin saw the problem
coming and stayed hidden in the tunnel to minimize the damage. Not a pretty
bobble logisticaly by the Sharks, but one of the ONLY ones in the opening
ceremonies, which were pretty bleeping far out neat!), I have to believe
something's up with him. It could be they worked out the trade for him (and
so couldn't play him), but since it wasn't yet approved by the league, they
couldn't say anything about it. Or it could simply be they've decided
they DON'T need him and will trade him and so decided not to use him until
the deal is consummated (keeps the stats from getting complicated, you
know. Give the playing time to the team mates, not the corpses, so to speak.)
In any event, I think it's clear Zettler is history. In the paper today, the
team noted that one of their problems was that they were having trouble
building the chemstry of the team, and a major problem is there are just too
many players in practice for the lines to settle in and learn to play with
each other. The Sharks have said they're going to have to trim the roster,
and do it sooner rather than later, to get away from this (they're at 28 or
so, and need to get down to about 23). I expect that Zettler was being held
until they decided whether Kroupa was for real or not, and I think he is,
which makes Zettler expendable.
I also think you'll see Maley lose the numbers game, and Rathje, who needs
playing time and isn't going to crack this lineup this year (but not unless
he can make it to the Blades). I'm also tempted to send Sykora to the
Blades. he hasn't played at all badly, but I think he's probably better off
getting experience iwth the Blades, at least for a few months. I don't think
he'd be gone lone, but the six primary Dmen last night, plus Cronin for
muscle, seems like a pretty damn good defensive corps, so why push Sykora
too quickly?
>2. Shawn Cronin made his Shark debut, and was on ice for only about a
> shift or two before disappearing for the rest of the game.
Phht. A slow skater who pokes people with his stick.
>(Obviously
> disappointed that Craig Berube is no longer a Flame. :-)) (If that is
> the case, why not dress David Maley or Ray Whitney, or both?)
I think Maley gets sent down. I think Whitney might, too, not really because
of his performance but more of a numbers game. He just doesn't seem to have
a spot to play right now.
>3. The difference was probably a lot smaller than the 33-13 shot count
> indicated;
No, it really wasn't. Well, maybe it was. I think the 13 was a sign of how
shakey the offense was, and I also think the 33 (which is a GOOD number, all
things considered) was a sign of how good the defense was overall. But
overall, it was a disappointing game for the Sharks. They could have played
better. There were clearly some nerves going on early (the Flames were also
somewhat nervous early, but shook it out in five-10 minutes). The first goal
by the sharks really loosened them up and after that, they skated better.
>4. Irbe is in great form. This, and given the fact that he was making
> his second straight start, may mean that he has won the #1 job, but
> we still have to wait and see.
This, and the fact that the fans would have killed constantine if he started
Waite in the home opener, given Irbe's popularity, and $.50 will buy you a
cup of coffee.
I don't think we WILL have a 31 goalie for a long time. I expect the number
of games played, barring injury, to be close to even.
>6. Has the Clinton Administration hired Dan Marouelli to monitor the war
> in Bosnia, or what?
Not a good game for marouelli. Irbe's interference penalty was aamzingly
bogus.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 10:22 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 10:20:27 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Flames 2-1
>A short 10 minute drive took us from our
>house to the parking lot at Santa Clara and Almaden (I think)
>where we paid $5 to park.
Neener. We parked free, because we showed up before the lot switched to
event parking (pay in advance) at 6PM. When I asked the attendant what I
ought to do, he told me to grab a ticket anyway, which I did. Thank you,
guy. Saved me $7.
>The air conditioning has been worked on; there's an outlet pointing
>down onto us, and both the kids complained that it was cold towards
>the end of the game!
It was noticably cooler down where we were. Definitely they're tweaking it
as they go along, and it's much better.
>The sound system sucks big time. The music
>was unintelligible, and Kelly's announcements are barely audible.
Down where we are, it was fine. They've taken some bass out of Kelly's
voice, and added some bassline to Dieter's organ (it's still not Chicago,
but what the heck. It's not electric piano, either). Dieter has some new
songs this year.
I find it amusing they made such a big deal about the Zamboni fins.
The two-zamboni combo, by the way, has the ice surfaced in about 3.5
minutes. Wow. Plenty of time for dancing girls. (shudder).
>The game itself left a lot to be desired. I've been telling everybody
>that the Sharks look a lot more aggressive this year, and that we
>will kick some serious posterior in our own division. Well, we sure
>saw a lot of poor play last night, and poor officiating.
The Sharks didn't hit people well, didn't follow through on the checks,
tried to grab instead of check, adn their passing was sloppy.
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?
>Ozolinsh looked like
>he was afraid to test his knee all night;
Ozolinsh had a couple of good hits. Mostly, he looked tenative. He's not a
defensive Dman. I don't expect a lot of physical play from him. But he's got
to bear down better.
>Finally, the trip home: we stayed in our seats to see the 3 stars
>announced, then headed down the stairs toward the exit.
We waited for the stars as well. We park in the lot just off 87 to the
right. We were out of the arena, to the car and on the freway in under 10
minutes. Traffic and parking will not be a problem.
>I don't know how long it will last, but at the information booth I
>signed up as a designated driver and got a coupon for a free small soda.
>I also heard that Miller will pay your cab fare if you decide you
>shouldn't drive home.
We'll have to tell the people sitting next to us this year that. Thanks for
letting me know. (we're already thinking of calling this the "row with no
bladder control", given the number of trips they made).
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 12:25 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Mark Spiegel)
Subject: Tix 4 Sale - Oct 26 - Edmonton
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 12:22:54 PDT
I have 4 tickets for sale for the October 26th (Tuesday)
game against Edmonton.
Where: Section 220, Row 3 (first row behind $38 rim seats)
Seats 10 - 13
Great view, rink end where Sharks defend twice.
Price: Face value, $24 each
Contact:
e-mail: email@hidden
voice: 408-742-9194
408-286-3516
408-756-0895
Mark Spiegel
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 12:41 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 12:39:41 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: list downtime cancelled
They've cancelled building maintenance for this weekend, so the list will
e up and running as usual. sorry for the false alarm.
chuq
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 12:54 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 12:52:23 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Flames 2-1
> lead for good at 7:24, while working on a power-play. Kevin Dahl had let go
> a strong point shot, and Joe Nieuwendyk deflected it in front past Irbe, with
> Theoren Fleury also getting an assist. (I was actually on the phone at the
> time, so if anyone has a better description, please help.)
The official stats gave Nieuwendyk the goal, and Han and Stempy said on TV
that they thought the shot was deflected. When I watched the tape a few
times, it looked to me that Jay More -- who was trying to knock it down
with the blade of his stick -- barely tipped it downward.
> ... They pulled Irbe with
> about a minute left in the game, but Vernon made a great save on a blistering
> shot by Jeff Norton, and that was the Sharks' best chance. Paul Ranheim's
> attempt at the empty net at the buzzer missed, but that would be moot anyway.
It didn't just miss. Norton dived and blocked it.
> 7. Rob Zettler was interviewed by Chris Collins on radio during the
> second period, and he sounded *very* unhappy about the fact that he's
> been scratched for the first four games of the season. Collins
> mentioned rumors that he may be heading to Edmonton, and he did not
> comment.
He was suited up and skated out for the season-opening ceremonies, but
only that. I don't think that Bud Kelly ever announced the scratches
to the Epicenter crowd; if he did, I didn't hear it.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 12:54 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 12:50:00 PDT
From: kahului!email@hidden (Douglas J Whisler)
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Flames 2-1
> However, the Flames, who out-shot the Sharks 10-4 in the period, would take the
> lead for good at 7:24, while working on a power-play. Kevin Dahl had let go
> a strong point shot, and Joe Nieuwendyk deflected it in front past Irbe, with
> Theoren Fleury also getting an assist. (I was actually on the phone at the
> time, so if anyone has a better description, please help.)
>
Try this: Nieuwendyk gets a gift goal, as he doesn't ever touch the puck on
this play and gets a goal to his credit. Dahl's shot was about 2 - 2.5 ft
off the ice as Jayson More raised his stick on it and changed its course.
Irbe couldn't react in time to catch it. Pretty clear even on the
scoreboard reply, including Irbe's reaction to it.
>
> Tonight's three stars:
>
> 2. Arturs Irbe
Had we managed a tie, Arturs woulda been #1 star. (IMO)
>
> 3. The difference was probably a lot smaller than the 33-13 shot count
> indicated; but the Sharks' offense still should be said to have had
> *a lot* of problems.
The difference *was* as bad as the mid-3rd shot count of 32-9 indicates.
Sharks passing (sic) was (take your pick) abyssimal, opening night jitters,
&/or read by Flames defense early and disrupted for the rest of the night.
The Flames controled us almost all night, our offense spent so much time
just trying to cross center ice, and then if they did, the Flames were
all over them. I wonder if Vernon bothered to shower after the game...
Addn't item: Waite is still wearing his Chicago mask, but taped over
completely with white tape. While NHL rules on uniforms & colors allow
some leeway on goalie masks, a red mask on a teal/white/blue team won't
mustard the cut, as it were, so that's their solution for now.
- DW
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 13:20 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 13:19:12 -0800
From: email@hidden (Brian Bechtel)
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Flames 2-1
Ed Rush says, talking about Rob Zettler:
>> 7. Rob Zettler was interviewed by Chris Collins on radio during the
>> second period, and he sounded *very* unhappy about the fact that he's
>> been scratched for the first four games of the season. Collins
>> mentioned rumors that he may be heading to Edmonton, and he did not
>> comment.
>
>He was suited up and skated out for the season-opening ceremonies, but
>only that. I don't think that Bud Kelly ever announced the scratches
>to the Epicenter crowd; if he did, I didn't hear it.
Rob was *not* dressed for the game, but was in civilian clothes up in the
stands. Bud Kelly announced Zettler's name, but Jayson More skated out.
Bud then said "uh, Jayson More" in a kind of off-tone way, and then
continued with the rest of the introductions. He also missed announcing
Shawn Cronin's name when Cronin skated out.
The Sharks put the scratches up on the video screen, probably as part of
the KICU 36 TV coverage. Zettler was listed as "coach's decision."
Personally, given all the information above, and given articles in the
Murkey-Snooze and Comicle, I expect Zettler will be wearing a new color
uniform soon.
--Brian Bechtel email@hidden "My opinion, not Apple's"
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 13:50 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Bruce McKenzie)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 13:47:19 -0700
Subject: Oct 28 DUCKS tickets for sale
I have two seats for the Ducks (10/28)
$38: Section 127, Row 22 (13-14)
Shark's end, above the tunnel. Just above club seats.
Please email if you're interested.
---
Bruce McKenzie (email@hidden, NeXTMail OK)
"So..happy..ironing..for..my..friend..Stimpy!"
PDH Inc. 2635 N. First St. Ste 224, San Jose, CA 95134
voice: 408/428-9596, fax: 408/428-9599
Epicenter: Section 127, Row 22, Seats 13-14
* Opinions expressed are those of my own twisted mind, not my
employer's *
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 14:07 PDT 1993
Date: 15 Oct 93 14:01:00 PST
From: "MOSHE PREIL (22117)"
Subject: ABOUT LAST NIGHT...
The negative comments on the Sharks's passing skills last night
are certainly true in some respects, but I have to inject a positive
note here. Last year, the Sharks flat out couldn't pass the puck. This
year, they have shown a tremendous amount of improvement. There were
a few passing flurries last night that were really hot (the goal, for
one, and a nice 3-2 break that simply didn't convert). On the other
hand, I lost count of the number of pass attempts last night that were
JUST a few inches too far ahead. The bad news is that they didn't make
those passes work. The good news is at least they are working on it.
When they get their timing down, the goals have to follow.
The one aspect of the passing game that I really couldn't figure
out were the behind the back, off the boards or cross ice attempts. Hey,
when you're not getting the straight passes to work, trying this NHL
version of the Magic Johnson no-look pass hasn't got a prayer.
Here's my prediction for Saturday's game: Since I will be out
of town and unable to attend the game, I fully expect the Sharks to
win their first home game in the new arena against Boston.
Moshe
209/17/x
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 14:31 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 14:29:44 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Flames 2-1
>He was suited up and skated out for the season-opening ceremonies, but
>only that. I don't think that Bud Kelly ever announced the scratches
>to the Epicenter crowd; if he did, I didn't hear it.
No. He was announced, but wasn't suited up. Jay More skated out introduced
as Zettler, then nobody skated out and they introduced More. Everyone down
in the tunnel looked real unhappy.
The scratches weren't announced, but were put up on the jumbotron.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 14:36 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 14:34:53 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: ABOUT LAST NIGHT...
> The negative comments on the Sharks's passing skills last night
> are certainly true in some respects, but I have to inject a positive
> note here. Last year, the Sharks flat out couldn't pass the puck. This
> year, they have shown a tremendous amount of improvement.
Definitely. That may be some part of my ambiguity with the games. Problems
or no, this team losing was better than 95% of the teams that skated last
season. Maybe 100% of last year's teams. The problems are ones that'll go
away (to some degree or another) once they have a chance to learn each
other's tendencies. Remember, there are a LOT of new faces out there, and
anticipating who will end up where takes time together. There were a number
of occasions last night where two players ended up in the same place during
the game, and then on the next face off, went and talked the situation
through so they knew how to work with each other the next time. It got
better as the game went along.
That still doesn't mean they avoided Kevin "skate until someone pukes"
constantine's practice today. I don't expect anyone was happy with the
result. it was better, but it wasn't what they want to be or what the fans
expect.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 15:09 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 14:29:44 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Flames 2-1
>He was suited up and skated out for the season-opening ceremonies, but
>only that. I don't think that Bud Kelly ever announced the scratches
>to the Epicenter crowd; if he did, I didn't hear it.
No. He was announced, but wasn't suited up. Jay More skated out introduced
as Zettler, then nobody skated out and they introduced More. Everyone down
in the tunnel looked real unhappy.
The scratches weren't announced, but were put up on the jumbotron.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 15:12 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 14:34:53 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: ABOUT LAST NIGHT...
> The negative comments on the Sharks's passing skills last night
> are certainly true in some respects, but I have to inject a positive
> note here. Last year, the Sharks flat out couldn't pass the puck. This
> year, they have shown a tremendous amount of improvement.
Definitely. That may be some part of my ambiguity with the games. Problems
or no, this team losing was better than 95% of the teams that skated last
season. Maybe 100% of last year's teams. The problems are ones that'll go
away (to some degree or another) once they have a chance to learn each
other's tendencies. Remember, there are a LOT of new faces out there, and
anticipating who will end up where takes time together. There were a number
of occasions last night where two players ended up in the same place during
the game, and then on the next face off, went and talked the situation
through so they knew how to work with each other the next time. It got
better as the game went along.
That still doesn't mean they avoided Kevin "skate until someone pukes"
constantine's practice today. I don't expect anyone was happy with the
result. it was better, but it wasn't what they want to be or what the fans
expect.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 15:31 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 15:29:30 PDT
From: email@hidden (Dave Cornelius)
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Flames 2-1
>Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 10:10:25 PDT
>From: Chuq Von Rospach
>
>>Robert Reichel had won a faceoff at the left faceoff circle
>>in the Sharks zone, and the puck bounced off Wes Walz's stick
>>back to MacInnis, who let go a blistering shot through a screen past Irbe.
>
>Good screen. Good shot.
Great ducking by Irbe. What a weenie. Sure, the shot nicked the
crossbar, and I'm certain that Irbe was heading for the ice to
avoid the biscuit. I was disgusted by his avoidance tactic.
Get the hook on Irbe, enough is enough; this is the NHL, after all.
/dc
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 15:35 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 15:34:09 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
email@hidden
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Flames 2-1
>Great ducking by Irbe. What a weenie. Sure, the shot nicked the
>crossbar, and I'm certain that Irbe was heading for the ice to
>avoid the biscuit. I was disgusted by his avoidance tactic.
>Get the hook on Irbe, enough is enough; this is the NHL, after all.
Irbe saves 31 of 33 and has a GAA of under 3 and you're calling him a
weenie?
Someone needs to get a life, and it isn't Arturs.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 15:52 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 15:50:02 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Flames 2-1
> >The sound system sucks big time... Kelly's announcements are barely audible.
>
> Down where we are, it was fine. They've taken some bass out of Kelly's
> voice,
In 117, Kelly was very audible, but almost completely unintelligible.
There is still way too much bass for human-voice transmission.
> >I also heard that Miller will pay your cab fare if you decide you
> >shouldn't drive home.
>
> We'll have to tell the people sitting next to us this year that. Thanks for
> letting me know. (we're already thinking of calling this the "row with no
> bladder control", given the number of trips they made).
The Mercury News had some mention of the Miller offer, in the Thursday
editions. Miller announced it "on the eve of the opener" -- apparently
Wednesday. They already do this in nine other arenas around the country.
Distance is apparently not a problem, within bounds. If someone from
Reno comes up and wants a ride home, they said, they would probably just
put him up in a local hotel and let him drive home the next day. The
article did not say where you go to ask for such a ride home, though.
(The information booth, I would guess, if a drunk can find it in the
postgame crowd.)
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| Ed Rush, not speaking for Metaphor, Mtn. View, CA |
| Internet: email@hidden |
| "My Macintosh doesn't go out in the rain." |
| Epicenter 117/17/11-12 |
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 16:16 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 16:14:50 -0700
From: Mitch Wright
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Flames 2-1
/* Ed Rush [email@hidden ] writes: */
>>... They pulled Irbe with
>>about a minute left in the game, but Vernon made a great save on a blistering
>>shot by Jeff Norton, and that was the Sharks' best chance. Paul Ranheim's
>>attempt at the empty net at the buzzer missed, but that would be moot anyway.
>
>It didn't just miss. Norton dived and blocked it.
>
Constantine was probably *very* happy about that... now his wife couldn't
complain about losing by more than one. :-)
~mitch
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 16:23 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 16:21:38 -0700
From: John Onusko
Subject: Shots on goal
> From: Chuq Von Rospach
> Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Flames 2-1
>
> >Arturs Irbe had a great game, but the Sharks, hampered by injuries already,
> >were limited to a franchise-record low 13 shots in the game,
>
> Actually, I thought the shot-count guy did a fairly poor job last night. The
> Sharks had, oh, probably a whole 17 or 18 shots.
>
> And I think to SOME degree even that number isn't quite right, because when
> they were generating offense, it was the patented Shark version of "take a
> shot, miss the net".
>
Does anybody know the official rule on what is a "shot"? When I have
kept score for the women's league, I only count a shot that either goes
into the net, or would have went in the net if the goalie didn't stop
it. I usually don't count a shot that was actually a dump down the ice,
unless the player clearly was shooting on the goal. I do not count
shots that go wide, shots off the post, or shots blocked by any other
skater. I have never heard an official explanation, and my rule book
has not surfaced at home in over a year.
Thanks,
John
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 16:30 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 16:29:49 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Shots on goal
>Does anybody know the official rule on what is a "shot"? When I have
>kept score for the women's league, I only count a shot that either goes
>into the net, or would have went in the net if the goalie didn't stop
>it.
That's what a shot is. If the goalie takes some action that prevents what
would have been a goal. In theory, a great save of a shot going wide isn't a
shot on goal. There's some level of judgement here, obviously.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 16:46 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 16:44:38 PDT
From: email@hidden (Dave Cornelius)
email@hidden
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Flames 2-1
>Irbe saves 31 of 33 and has a GAA of under 3 and you're calling him a weenie?
I didn't suggest that 31 of 33 was bad thing. I was specifically carping
about his diving to avoid rubber :-) From what I saw, he could've
had 32 of 33, but he nearly poooed his pants on MacInnis' shot.
But, were you to surmise that Irbe isn't my favorite netminder,
you'd be not mistaken :-)
/dc
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 17:25 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 17:23:43 -0700
From: John Onusko
Subject: March 6th
Mark it on your calendars. My team the Leafs will be playing at the SJ
Arena that afternoon. We have arranged pre-game activities to include
a game between the Sharks and the Mighty Ducks which will start at
2:00pm.
John
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 17:33 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Patrick MacRoberts)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 17:31:30 -0700
Subject: Irbe DUCKED?!
%> Good screen. Good shot.
%
% Great ducking by Irbe. What a weenie. Sure, the shot nicked the
% crossbar, and I'm certain that Irbe was heading for the ice to
% avoid the biscuit. I was disgusted by his avoidance tactic.
Well, it looked to me like he didn't SEE the shot. Mostly because he
just stood there until he heard it hit the pipe...
% Get the hook on Irbe, enough is enough; this is the NHL, after all.
Okay, Clem. You wanna replace him?
-Patrick "Hellofashot..."
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 17:49 PDT 1993
Date: 15 Oct 93 17:43:00 PST
From: "MOSHE PREIL (22117)"
Subject: SHOTS ON GOAL
The low shot count was fairly accurate given the definition of a
shot ON GOAL. From our angle in 209, we could see that a lot of the
action when the Sharks swarmed the Flames goal did not generate any shots
on the goal. They did some nice passes near the goal mouth that could
have led to a score, and a number of these caused the Flames to cover
up quickly before a Shark could jam it home, but the pass itself was NOT
a shot on goal.
By the way, now that people have had a chance to blow off steam
about the poor passing, low shot count, final score, and so on, let's
mention a positive note or two. First, Irbe was great. I swear he pulled
one puck out of the air behind him and pulled it forward to avoid a
certain goal. From our angle we lost sight of the puck going under
the crossbar and couldn't believe it didn;t go in (No, it didn't
actually go under the crossbar, because obviously that is a goal. It
just looked that way from our angle). The other positive note
was Falloon (Jake, why haven't you said this yet?). His puck handling
was better than any Shark I have seen yet. With all of this talent and
hard work, things have to change soon. I stand by my prediction for
Saturday.
Moshe
209/17
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 19:37 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 19:38:59 +0800
From: email@hidden (Michael Bothe)
Subject: Rob Zettler
>> 7. Rob Zettler was interviewed by Chris Collins on radio during the
>> second period, and he sounded *very* unhappy about the fact that he's
>> been scratched for the first four games of the season. Collins
>> mentioned rumors that he may be heading to Edmonton, and he did not
>> comment.
>
>He was suited up and skated out for the season-opening ceremonies, but
>only that. I don't think that Bud Kelly ever announced the scratches
>to the Epicenter crowd; if he did, I didn't hear it.
>
Rob Zettler was NOT in uniform in spite of what Bud Kelly said. It was
Jason More that skated out of the shark when Zettler was anounced. Bud did
a quick ahem, well er... Jason More
The scratches, injuries and not in uniform were not announced. They were
running behind schedule and we wanted hockey now, so perhaps they decided
to start the game.
--
Michael
The truth is out there
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 19:43 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1993 19:45:12 +0800
From: email@hidden (Michael Bothe)
Subject: Opening night animation
I have the shark animation from the opening ceremonies on VHS tape, can
anyone make this into a QuickTime movie?
--
Michael
The truth is out there
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 21:14 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Irbe DUCKED?!
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 21:13:05 PDT
%>> Good screen. Good shot.
%
%>Great ducking by Irbe. What a weenie. Sure, the shot nicked the
%>crossbar, and I'm certain that Irbe was heading for the ice to
%>avoid the biscuit. I was disgusted by his avoidance tactic.
>Well, it looked to me like he didn't SEE the shot. Mostly because he
>just stood there until he heard it hit the pipe...
The slow motion replays on TV (which I taped) pretty clearly show that Irbe
saw the shot from start to finish. MacInnis has such a great shot that he
is always a scoring threat, even if he's clearing it from near center ice.
Ken Zarifes
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 21:35 PDT 1993
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 21:34:26 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
email@hidden
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Flames 2-1
> I didn't suggest that 31 of 33 was bad thing. I was specifically carping
>about his diving to avoid rubber :-) From what I saw, he could've
>had 32 of 33, but he nearly poooed his pants on MacInnis' shot.
Then you weren't looking too closely.
>But, were you to surmise that Irbe isn't my favorite netminder,
>you'd be not mistaken :-)
That's okay. You're new to the list. I'm sure the people here who know
hockey will be happy to teach you.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 15 22:49 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Bruce McKenzie)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 22:46:08 -0700
Subject: Re: Opening night animation
OK, I've got to say it.
1) I loved AirShark - Clever, cute, well-done!
2) The shark head tunnel was *interesting* - clever, but I kept thinking "this is a
one trick pony". I'll admit, the camera shots of the people skating out were neat,
but for all people at the arena, it was a "so what?".
3) The computer animation was great! It was clever, well done, and really
appropriate. (Does anyone know more? Who did it, where, what type of machines, $$$)
The only problem was: it was too short! I hope they play that before each game...
4) The rest of the opening night program (not the game ;-) sucked!
I could not believe the stock footage/publicity shots/irrelevant video and animation.
I felt so sorry for Bud: sitting up there and reading this "pap". Too long, stupid,
and totally de-focussing to all hockey fans. *Who cares* that SJ/Silicon valley put a
man on the moon (hyperbole filter activated)? I mean, I do, but not at a *HOCKEY
GAME*!!!
I could not believe that they played a VIDEO of last year's laser show! It was fun
live, but a video? Get real!
It was funny to hear the crowd boo Bettman. What else could he expect? That was the
only real surprise: his accent. I could barely understand him!
I thought that the pre-game program was a waste of my time and the presenters'.
I'd be lying if I did not voice my disappointment at getting NO gimmes. None. After
the great ones of years past (radios, hats, sports bottles, glasses) it was a real
disappointment. I really expected them to do something fun and original.
One row of hats, and one call on a cellular phone (whose announcement was botched:
they showed the seat location while Bud was still saying "Maybe you'll be the
lucky..."). Geez. Happy Meals are more fun.
No intermission activities - no broomball, mighty atom runts, shootout.
I think the two Zamboni world IS a kinder happier place. Better ice for the Sharks. I
hope it's not just for more intermission time...
All in all, I should have stayed home. (Yes, I'd be singing a different song if they
had won!)
---
Bruce McKenzie (email@hidden, NeXTMail OK)
"So..happy..ironing..for..my..friend..Stimpy!"
PDH Inc. 2635 N. First St. Ste 224, San Jose, CA 95134
voice: 408/428-9596, fax: 408/428-9599
Epicenter: Section 127, Row 22, Seats 13-14
* Opinions expressed are those of my own twisted mind, not my employer's *
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sat Oct 16 12:10 PDT 1993
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 93 12:08:26 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Sharks notes
>From the Saturday paper
Larionov is expected to start tonight, on a line with Makarov on the Right
and Whitney on the left (reverse of pre-season). Makarov just isn't comfortable
on the left, so he's going back to his preferred position.
Errey and Garpenlov are expected to return as well.
First Ice Insights is tonihgt at 6:15 with Dean Lombardi. Carry your season
ticket pin or your id card. Available to the first 300, look for the marked
special entrance on autumn (bluecoats should be able to point).
The next one is Saturday the 30th.
A few stats of interest:
Jeff Odgers leads the team in two stats: Penalty minutes (a massive 7
in four games. That is on a 147 PIM pace. This is a MUCH more disciplined
team!) and +/- at plus one. He's the only plus player right now.
Faloon leads in goals with 3 and points with 4. Norton is 0-3-3 in second.
Makarov trails in +- with -6, followed by Capuano at -5 and Sykora at -4.
Top +- are Odgers @ 1, Miller and errey @ 0.
Irbe is 0-3, but with a GAA of 2.78. (it ain't the goaltending, folks.)
s
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sat Oct 16 12:11 PDT 1993
From: Brian Bechtel
Subject: Irbe to sign new contract soon?
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 93 12:09:19 PDT
Steve Kettman in the S. F. Comicle reports that the Sharks and Arturs
Irbe are close to signing a two year contract with an optional third
year at roughly $500,000 per year.
--Brian Bechtel email@hidden "My opinion, not Apple's"
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sat Oct 16 16:23 PDT 1993
From: Nelson Lu
Subject: Tonight's game
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1993 16:21:39 -0700 (PDT)
Thanks to the insane radio delay tonight (10:30 P. M.!?) I may not be able
to catch the game at all. Can someone who will be going at the game file a
game report, with at least the lines and the scratches, etc.? I'd be
grateful...
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sun Oct 17 02:07 PDT 1993
From: Nelson Lu
Subject: Sharks tie Bruins 1-1
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 02:05:06 -0700 (PDT)
(Due to the insane nature of the radio broadcast (delayed until *11:30 P. M.*),
I am still in the middle of hearing the 3rd period, but will go to sleep pretty
soon without finishing the entire game. Therefore, this is not a complete
game report.) (Tonight's game was on SportsChannel, which I don't have; in
fact, I don't have cable at all. If you want to complain, please write to
Cable Co-op in Palo Alto, CA, with which I am *very* *very* unhappy. (They
essentially never tried to set us up for service since they'd have to drag
cables from a long way, even though we indicated that we're willing to pay
for it.)) (Sorry about the diatribe, but when you're up this late, you can
get pretty upset.) (By the way, if you're writing, write to KFRC too.)
Arturs Irbe had another excellent game, stopping 36 of 37 shots during the
game, but he could not stop Ray Bourque on a blistering power-play shot at
6:41 of the 3rd period to allow the Bruins to move into the tie, but the
Sharks finally got their first point of the season in 5 games. (I am not
sure how many shots that the Sharks had on Jon Casey, but I would assume about
25, and Casey did really have a fairly good game as well.)
The first period had the Bruins out-shooting the Sharks about 12-7 or there
abouts, but the Sharks really did control the flow of the game, although they
again had trouble putting shots on net. The Ray Whitney-Igor Larionov-
Sergei Makarov line was particularly dazzling, putting on excellent offensive
and defensive(!) pressure, and passing well.
The Bruins out-shot the Sharks 10-7 in the second period, but yet the Sharks
had the only goal of the period. Mike Rathje, making his NHL debut, had
stopped the puck at the right point, and he sent it deep down the right wing to
Rob Gaudreau, who centered it in front to an open Jamie Baker, and Baker
deflected Gaudreau's pass past Casey.
The Sharks had a good third period, but Bourque (whose goal I am just hearing
now on the radio) broke their heart, as Adam Oates, on the left boards, got
a pass from a screen-setting Brian Smolinski, and sent it back to the point to
Bourque, who let go a blistering shot through the screen set up by Smolinski
past Irbe.
I don't know who the stars are, or how the game ended. If anyone can give
better descriptions, please do. (Kill Cable Co-op and/or KFRC, not me.)
Tonight's lines:
Johan Garpenlov Kip Miller Pat Falloon
Ray Whitney Igor Larionov Sergei Makarov
Jeff Odgers Jamie Baker Rob Gaudreau
Steve Duchesne Mike Sullivan
Tonight's defensive pairings:
Mike Lalor Jayson More
Sandis Ozolinsh Doug Zmolek
Vlastimil Kroupa Jeff Norton
Mike Rathje
Scratches: Bob Errey (ribs), Shawn Cronin, Michal Sykora, Rob Zettler,
Dave Capuano. (I heard that David Maley was sent to Kansas City, but
I don't have confirmation on it. If someone has more information...)
Notes (some):
1. The Whitney-Larionov-Makarov line was truly great in the first period,
although they didn't convert.
2. And, unfortunately, that line stayed together for all of one period,
as Larionov aggravated his shoulder injury at the beginning of the
second period, and did not return. It's not known yet how long he will
be out.
3. Glen Featherstone is a blockhead. (I'll have someone else elaborate
on that; I'm too sleepy to do it right now.)
===============================================================================
GO EDMONTON OILERS! Go for playoffs! Bill Ranford for Vezina!
GO DALLAS STARS! Go for playoffs! Ulf Dahlen for Lady Byng!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (email@hidden)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sun Oct 17 11:37 PDT 1993
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 93 11:32:23 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Sharks tie Bruins 1-1
>Arturs Irbe had another excellent game, stopping 36 of 37 shots during the
>game, but he could not stop Ray Bourque on a blistering power-play shot at
>6:41 of the 3rd period to allow the Bruins to move into the tie
Pretty shot. Nasty screens. Irbe had no chance (and the replays seemed to
show a deflection in the crowd, although Bourque still got credit).
Irbe was in wall mode. It was clearly a "if I have to get a shutout to win,
then I'll effing well get a shutout". He came about two inches close to it
(that's how far below the crossbar the Bourque shot looked).
And yeah, he needed a shutout to win. Sigh.
>(I am not
>sure how many shots that the Sharks had on Jon Casey, but I would assume about
>25, and Casey did really have a fairly good game as well.)
I think the final shot count was 21 or 22. We were outshot about 2-1,
although the scoring chances count was a lot closer, as a fair amount of
offense got generated but didn't go on net. It was, overall, a much better
game. Bordering on good.
And to be honest, Casey didn't have that good a game. He gave up some bad
rebounds and generally didn't look too sharp. Not BAD, but if I were him, I
wouldn't be happy with the performance. He can do better. There was one
point late in the game where he ran down a puck in his own zone, and then
misplayed it horribly, allowing Ray Whitney to skate right down his throat
and almost take it away while out of the crease. Ugh.
>The Ray Whitney-Igor Larionov-
>Sergei Makarov line was particularly dazzling, putting on excellent offensive
>and defensive(!) pressure, and passing well.
That line looked pretty good. Makarov needs to shoot more. He was rather
focussed on making one last pretty pass, which is why a lot of the offense
ended up without shots. He's got to stop the finesse work and shoot.
(ditto Sandis Ozolinsh, who had a number of potential shots from the point
and instead tried to pass it through traffic. Let's shoot and go for
rebounds, folks. This year, we actually have people in the crease waiting
for them).
>Mike Rathje, making his NHL debut, had
>stopped the puck at the right point, and he sent it deep down the right wing to
>Rob Gaudreau, who centered it in front to an open Jamie Baker, and Baker
>deflected Gaudreau's pass past Casey.
A good goal. Rathje looked okay, but he clearly could stand some seasoning
down in the IHL. He didn't embarass himself, but in limited action, didn't
tear up the ice, either. His checking was a little more tentative than I
liked (on the plus, Sandis, who I bitched about last game, was more physical
tonight. Good).
Rathje played more late when they were trying to hold the tie and
playing more defense (there was more Sullivan and Duschesne late,
also). Kroupa disappeared after the Bourque goal (scored on a Kroupa
holding the stick penalty -- Stewart called that twice (the other on
Whitney), and Kroupa was befuddled that he was going to the box. I don't
rememeber seeing him on the ice after that, but don't know whether it was a
doghouse, a strategy change or perhaps an injury. He'd played well to that
point.
(Stewart called a pretty good game. As usual for old "no blood no foul", it
was evenly called and as long as tempers didn't flair, he let them play.
Both sides focussed on playing hockey and there wasn't a whole lot that
Stewart didn't call. As usual for the new, improved Sharks, it was a clean
game with little penalty time.
The one call by Stewart that upset the crowd, on Jay More for batting down a
puck with a high stick, was a good call. With nobody closer than 15' to Jay,
amybe I'd have let it ride, but it was a proper call (and only led to a
faceoff, not a penalty, anyway). Stewart in general was having a pretty good
time. There were a couple of people in the section next to us he knew, and
so they were carrying on a conversation on and off all night (Stewart wanted
their beer and hot dog at one point). He also had fun with some of the fans.
There was an "eject the ref" sign in one section that he waved and smiled
at, and when another guy put up his "another Schick-head call" sign, Stewart
turned around, pointed at himself and mouthed "Moi?", then turned around and
pointed at the name on his shirt. I like that kind of attitude. Doesn't take
himself too seriously, and has a little fun while calling (generally) a fair
game. Probably isn't impressed with Shick, either, from the way he dealt
with the sign...)
>I don't know who the stars are, or how the game ended. If anyone can give
>better descriptions, please do.
Third star was Jay More. Second was a Bruin defenseman. First star, to
standing ovation, was Arturs "The Wall" Irbe.
Also, Odgers is still wearing the C. Jay More was wearing the A. Given that
the Merc said earlier in the week that Errey would get the C back when
healthy, it looks like our captains are those three (with Odgers going to an
A when Errey returns).
Also, the McKeon column in the Examiner specifically called Waite Irbe's
backup, in case anyone was still wondering about that.
>Scratches: Bob Errey (ribs), Shawn Cronin, Michal Sykora, Rob Zettler,
> Dave Capuano. (I heard that David Maley was sent to Kansas City, but
> I don't have confirmation on it. If someone has more information...)
Maley was in the pre-game skate, but didn't dress. He and Zettler were the
only Sharks not to see action yet this season. Zettler didn't skate, and
according to the papers, the Sharks haven't commented on his status. He's
still a Shark, but seems in limbo.
>1. The Whitney-Larionov-Makarov line was truly great in the first period,
> although they didn't convert.
They will. When healthy.
>2. And, unfortunately, that line stayed together for all of one period,
> as Larionov aggravated his shoulder injury at the beginning of the
> second period, and did not return. It's not known yet how long he will
> be out.
As of now, it's indefinite.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sun Oct 17 14:03 PDT 1993
From: "Jeffrey T. Johnson"
Subject: Re: Sharks tie Bruins 1-1
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 93 14:01:15 PDT
> Also, Odgers is still wearing the C. Jay More was wearing the A. Given that
> the Merc said earlier in the week that Errey would get the C back when
> healthy, it looks like our captains are those three (with Odgers going to an
> A when Errey returns).
Bambi ^H^H^H^H^H^HFalloon was also wearing an A on Saturday.
> >1. The Whitney-Larionov-Makarov line was truly great in the first period,
> > although they didn't convert.
>
> They will. When healthy.
Whitney is still getting pushed around, though. He still doesn't have that
Fluery quickness required to avoid those big D-men. From what I could see
in the 1st period, there were several times when Larionov made beautiful
lead passes to Whitney -- it just that Whitney couldn't avoid the D to
get to 'em. Hopefully a little time together and Larionov will be able to
put the puck where Whitney can get to it instead of where a "normal sized"
winger could. But you can't fault Whitney's determination -- hitting guys
when he can.
On a different note, one of the highlights of the Thursday game (which I
didn't see repeated Saturday) was the guy sitting behind the opponent
penalty box with the "GOON" sign which showed up beautifully on the monitor
when the camera was on the penalized player :-)
/jeff
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sun Oct 17 15:45 PDT 1993
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 15:42:37 -0700
From: Richard Stueven
Subject: Re: Opening night animation
>From email@hidden Fri Oct 15 22:56:38 1993
>
>OK, I've got to say it.
Me too!
>1) I loved AirShark - Clever, cute, well-done!
One of the cheesiest gimmicks I've seen in a long time.
>2) The shark head tunnel was *interesting* - clever, but I kept thinking "this is a
>one trick pony". I'll admit, the camera shots of the people skating out were neat,
>but for all people at the arena, it was a "so what?".
Yep...so what?
>3) The computer animation was great! It was clever, well done, and really
>appropriate. (Does anyone know more? Who did it, where, what type of machines, $$$)
>The only problem was: it was too short! I hope they play that before each game...
Bah! Reminded me too much of "Bud Bowl".
>4) The rest of the opening night program (not the game ;-) sucked!
I don't know...at least we got to vent at Bettman...
have fun
gak
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sun Oct 17 17:04 PDT 1993
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1993 18:54:18 -600 (CDT)
From: BRIANA LAWSON
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Flames 2-1
email@hidden
On Fri, 15 Oct 1993, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
> Irbe saves 31 of 33 and has a GAA of under 3 and you're calling him a
> weenie?
>
> Someone needs to get a life, and it isn't Arturs.
I agree most definitely agree with Chuq here on this one...This guy who
had the nerve to make a comment like this definitely needs to either get a
life or get a new sport. This is not boxing and not a matter of
ducking...so the remark was absolutely uncalled for!!!!This is the opinion
of me, my roommate and my employer!!!
Go ARCHIE!!!!
email@hidden
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From Shark-Bytes-request Sun Oct 17 19:26 PDT 1993
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 93 19:24:36 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Opening night animation
>Me too!
Me three!
>>1) I loved AirShark - Clever, cute, well-done!
>One of the cheesiest gimmicks I've seen in a long time.
Ah, I like it. But what do I know? I'm just a Wine&Cheeser.
>>2) The shark head tunnel was *interesting*
Yeah. It looks like they're going to use it every night (minus opening night
fog, thank god. I saw the fog rolling out opening night, and had to make
sure I wasn't in Boston). The crowd seems to like it. It's not hockey, but
the Sharks aren't just hockey. They're entertainment. If it works, great. it
it helps fire up the crowd of the players, great. If you don't like it, it's
harmless. (I have to admit. Even though we're behind the Shark in our seats
so we don't get a great view, I think it's one of those little things that
can be used to turn on the crowd adn get the adrenalin flowing, and when
that happens, the noise is almost painful, which can only help the Sharks.
I like it.)
>>3) The computer animation was great!
Yeah! Thank you SGI! Thank you ILM! Thanks especially to the Sharks for not
pushing it too far. It wasn't too shart, is was not-too-long, which was
wonderful.
>Bah! Reminded me too much of "Bud Bowl".
gak, you just have no sense of adventure. You take life too seriously.
Loosen up and go have a beer. Hockey should be fun!
>>4) The rest of the opening night program (not the game ;-) sucked!
>
>I don't know...at least we got to vent at Bettman...
Look, when Big Things Are Opened, everyone gets to stand up and Make
Important Speeches (ohmigod, I'm speaking Milnespeak! Someone save me!). I
thought that, given we were going to have to listen to Important People
babble, they at least kept it nice and short and kept the babble to a
minimum. Give them credit. They could have found a way to talk for a bloody
hour, you know. Many places would have...
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 06:51 PDT 1993
Subject: Desperately Seeking Tix for Tuesday vs. St. Louis!
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 06:49:22 PDT
From: Rick Bender
Due to a very sad reason (burial of very close friend in San Mateo), my
son and I, my parents, and my niece from Germany, will all be in San Jose
on Tuesday the 19th. I get to San Jose quite rarely, and would love to
take this opportunity to experience the Epicenter and scream our heads off
for our Sharks.
Any chance some of you would like to take the evening off? Give your
vocal cords a rest and let us exercise ours?! Five tickets together would
be nice, but a set of 3 plus a set of 2 would be just fine. It would
probably be best if one of the sets could be in closer seats ($38 or less)
and one of the sets in more economical seats (we'd take turns). But. . .
any seats at face value in any part of the arena would be much appreciated!
Please be in touch ASAP.
PHONE: (310) 306-7600 (My parents at 408-269-1963 if necessary)
FAX: (310) 524-2472 ATTN: Janice Bender
NET: Rick Bender
(this sometimes takes a little while to work it's way through the gateways)
Thanks so much in advance! I'm eager to hear from you!
Best regards,
Rick
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 08:40 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 08:38:13 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed McGettigan)
Subject: Jayson More a forward?
Am I the only one noticing this or is Jayson More playing right wing during
the first half of the first periods. I noticed this on opening night and
also against the Bruins. I though I had him confused with Cronin(#44) at first
but I followed him to make sure it was him and that two other defenseman were
on the ice, Kroupa and Norton I think, and it was. So what gives. Is
Constantine trying to get the forwards a rest early in the game so that they
will be stronger at the finish line?
And while I'm here, the Irbe did NOT duck the slapshot from the faceoff. I
watched this on the replay at home. And he moved his glove to his right but
the shot went to the left, he just mis-read the shot.
Ed
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 08:56 PDT 1993
Date: Monday, 18 October 1993 08:49 PT
From: email@hidden
Subject: mailing list
please take me off the sharks mailing list.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 09:05 PDT 1993
Date: 18 Oct 93 11:57:06 EDT
From: Richard Thompson
Subject: Ice Insighjts
I was unable to attend the "Ice Insights" on Saturday evening before the game.
What did Lombardi have to say?
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 09:11 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 09:10:42 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Ice Insighjts
>I was unable to attend the "Ice Insights" on Saturday evening before the game.
>What did Lombardi have to say?
Nobody knows. The fan noise drowned him out. (it was done down in the
loading dock area. The Sharks hit another logistical oopsie here that needs
tweaking...)
Seriously though, what I did hear sounded like all the stuff that's ended up
in Mike Weaver's columns since the end fo last season. It was an attempt to
describe offseason transactions, draft stuff, strategies and explain why we
have a goalie with a sub-3 GAA who hasn't won yet (our offense is weak...)
As someone I talked to put it, if they had to waste an Insights to get the
logistics down, this was a great one to waste. Lombardi isn't a thrilling
public speaker...
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 09:11 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 09:07:54 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Jayson More a forward?
According to the paper, Jayson played a few lines at Forward when they
were beefing up the defense. It's not expected to be a regular happening.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 09:19 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 09:17:50 -0700
From: Richard Stueven
Subject: Re: Opening night animation
>From email@hidden Sun Oct 17 19:24:02 1993
>
>>>3) The computer animation was great!
>
>>Bah! Reminded me too much of "Bud Bowl".
>
>gak, you just have no sense of adventure.
Watching glorified television is "adventure"? Jeez, I guess I need to
stay home more often.
>Hockey should be fun!
Hockey _is_ fun! Real-live bang-'em-up-on-the-ice-hockey, that is.
have fun
gak
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 09:23 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Patrick MacRoberts)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 09:21:20 -0700
"Re: Sharks tie Bruins 1-1" (Oct 17, 2:01pm)
Subject: Re: Sharks tie Bruins 1-1
%>>1. The Whitney-Larionov-Makarov line was truly great in the first period,
%>> although they didn't convert.
%>
%> They will. When healthy.
%
% Whitney is still getting pushed around, though. He still doesn't have that
% Fluery quickness required to avoid those big D-men.
BUT, this year he's beating EVERYBODY to the puck. That's a huge
change. He's also not shying away from the corners. Another huge
change. I think he's faster (and quicker) this year than last. But
he needs to get quicker still to be able to do anything Fleury-like...
% Hopefully a little time together and Larionov will be able to put
% the puck where Whitney can get to it instead of where a "normal
% sized" winger could. But you can't fault Whitney's determination --
% hitting guys when he can.
Right. And he's bound to get better still. He's just getting
started...
-Patrick
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 09:30 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 09:26:12 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Larionov
is now listed as out 8-10 days.
Also, Errey is expected to miss the next two games.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 09:47 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 09:43 PDT
From: email@hidden (Doug Fierro)
Subject: ...and it's still too hot up in the nosebleed seats!
Yes, it is still hot as hell up there; even a guest who came to the
Bruins game commented on the fact. I don't think their A/C system is
working very well. And still no conveniently-located garbage cans.
Ok on the opening night- yeah, Air Shark is pretty neat, but does anyone
see the impending law suit waiting to happen? I mean they ran the
thing into the upper-level crowd around section 204 on opening night. Those
fans underneath the dirigible would not be kind to unsuspecting fingers or
long hair! :-) And what was it dropping during the Bruins game?
Are there going to be any between-period contests for a new car? I really
liked seeing audience members try and shoot on the net. Glad to see
pee wee hockey is alive and well at the new arena- that game was more exciting
than the one Sat. night!
Oh yeah, 13 shots on goal per GAME is not going to amount to any wins for
the Sharks. The shots on goal is worse this year so far (at least at home)
than it has been previous years.
It is weird to see #11 skating around out there and it not being Kisio.
It is obvious however from the skating abilities of the new #11 that it
is not our old hero anyway! And people ragging on Irbe here- geez, this
guy is the #1 reason why we aren't being blown out in games- he basically
saved the Bruins game by taking 33(4?) shots and only letting one by. We
don't have a better goalie, and he is one of the best in the league and
still very young (a franchise player for sure behind Falloon). He does
not duck any pucks- cut him some slack.
Is Doug Zmolek the next Caludio Scremman? If he keeps losing the puck
in his own end of the rink, we'll see. I thought by the third year this
team would be more organized, but it is a new coach so I will wait and see
what happens before I get *really* upset :-(
And who is that bald guy with the drum??? Giving the gak a run for his
money on the noise-making!
GO SHARKS!
Doug
P.S. I found out where the organ guy is- near the back row of 106 or 107.
Doug Fierro
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 10:35 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 10:34:35 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: Rob Zettler
> >> 7. Rob Zettler
> >
> >He was suited up and skated out for the season-opening ceremonies, but
> >only that. ...
> >
> Rob Zettler was NOT in uniform in spite of what Bud Kelly said. It was
> Jason More that skated out of the shark when Zettler was anounced. Bud did
> a quick ahem, well er... Jason More
After reviewing the tape, I see that Jay More came out, Kelly announced
Zettler, then Lalor came out and was announced. I'm not expert at lip-
reading, but it looked like Lalor grinned at More and said "Hi, Rob."
I suspect that someone had given Kelly a printed list that included
Zettler and did not include Cronin, and the coach decided at the last
minute to suit up Cronin instead of Zettler, without notifying Kelly.
Incidentally, Friday's Chromicle had an article very critical of Kelly.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 10:53 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 10:39:50 EST
From: "White, Todd"
Encoding: 925 Text
Subject: January 11th vs The LA Queens
This is a note to let you all know...
My intermediate ice hockey team, the Vikings, will be playing the Silencers
after the Sharks/Queens game on January 11th. This will provide all of you
with a couple of things:
1. One hell of a laugh. Don't you want to see hockey the way you would play
it? The best hits in hockey are when two skaters aren't paying any attention
to where they're going and just rail each other. Some beautiful hits...
2. A chance to buy big blocks (or whatever #) of tickets for the game. We
have to sell a number of tickets, so if you want to take a nice big crowd with
you to see LA, let me know.
3. You're first opportunity to root for the up-and-coming Vikings. We won the
beginner league last year, and this year we're playing with the big boys...
Basically, if you want tickets, let me know. I can get tons of tix for this
game.
-Whitey
#17 - Defence
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 11:00 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 11:05:23 PDT
From: email@hidden (Doug Moran)
Subject: Re: Sharks tie Bruins 1-1
Chuq Von Rospach writes:
>
> The one call by Stewart that upset the crowd, on Jay More for batting down a
> puck with a high stick, was a good call. With nobody closer than 15' to Jay,
> amybe I'd have let it ride, but it was a proper call (and only led to a
> faceoff, not a penalty, anyway). Stewart in general was having a pretty good
> time. There were a couple of people in the section next to us he knew, and
> so they were carrying on a conversation on and off all night (Stewart wanted
> their beer and hot dog at one point). He also had fun with some of the fans.
> There was an "eject the ref" sign in one section that he waved and smiled
> at, and when another guy put up his "another Schick-head call" sign, Stewart
> turned around, pointed at himself and mouthed "Moi?", then turned around and
> pointed at the name on his shirt. I like that kind of attitude. Doesn't take
> himself too seriously, and has a little fun while calling (generally) a fair
> game. Probably isn't impressed with Shick, either, from the way he dealt
> with the sign...)
Stewart did have a little fun with it. People were yelling at him, he
turned around, shrugged, made the "high-stick" motion, and then pointed
at More as if to say, "Why are you yelling at me? HE had the high
stick."
> Third star was Jay More. Second was a Bruin defenseman. First star, to
> standing ovation, was Arturs "The Wall" Irbe.
I was impressed with More; he was all over the damn place.
dougm
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 11:18 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 11:17:04 PDT
From: email@hidden (Rick Rees)
Subject: Re: Jayson More a forward?
> Am I the only one noticing this or is Jayson More playing right wing during
> the first half of the first periods. I noticed this on opening night and
> also against the Bruins.
> Ed
>
According to the SF Examiner, More took 3 shifts as a forward at
Thursday night's game. Is this confusing to anyone else?
More's passing skills suck. I've always seen him as Mr. Turnover.
His checking skills have improved greatly, but I still don't
see why they give him so much ice time.
-Rick
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 11:33 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 11:30:11 PDT
From: email@hidden (Dave Cornelius)
email@hidden
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Flames 2-1
>>I was specifically carping
>>about his diving to avoid rubber :-) From what I saw, he could've
>>had 32 of 33, but he nearly poooed his pants on MacInnis' shot.
>
>Then you weren't looking too closely.
Gee, MacInnis was only 25 feet from my seat... I thought I had
a decent angle on the shot, and the duck :-)
>>But, were you to surmise that Irbe isn't my favorite netminder,
>>you'd be not mistaken :-)
>
>That's okay. You're new to the list. I'm sure the people here who know
>hockey will be happy to teach you.
Teach me what? How to opine about netminders? About hockey?
.. how to wear asbestos undergarments?
/dc
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 11:49 PDT 1993
Date: 18 Oct 1993 11:57:59 -0800
From: "Dave Comstock"
Subject: Second Star Was Wesley
Subject: Time:11:54 AM
OFFICE MEMO Second Star Was Wesley Date:10/18/93
For those of you who keep track of such things, the second star of the Boston
game was Bruins defenseman Glen Wesley.
Dave Comstock
120/7/7-10
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 12:10 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 12:07 PDT
From: email@hidden (Maniacal Hockey Fan)
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Flames 2-1
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 93 16:44:38 PDT
From: email@hidden (Dave Cornelius)
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Flames 2-1
I didn't suggest that 31 of 33 was bad thing. I was specifically carping
about his diving to avoid rubber :-) From what I saw, he could've
had 32 of 33, but he nearly poooed his pants on MacInnis' shot.
Wouldn't you? MacInnis only has about the hardest/fastest shot in the
league. From my seat, the puck was headed right for Irbe's face.
I know those masks are made to protect against injury from such shot
but I think I could forgive him for maybe being startled. He's human.
Laura
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Laura Shaffer "Corners are for bus stops
PIXAR (they're not allowed an opinion) and stamps."
Richmond, CA USA
email: email@hidden - Wayne Gretzky
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 12:22 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 12:20:28 -0700
From: email@hidden (Erik Schwartz)
Subject: radio repeater
Does anyone know if the repeater has been set up in the Epicenter yet so we
can receive KFRC?
==============================================================
Erik Schwartz ICTV Inc.
email@hidden (408) 562-9200
Epicenter 223/6/12-13 It's not easy, being teal...
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 12:32 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 12:30:43 PDT
From: email@hidden (Alan Hepburn)
Subject: Bald Guy
Doug Fierro asks:
"And who is that bald guy with the drum??? Giving the gak a run for his
money on the noise-making!"
Must be a newcomer! I thought everybody in the Bay Area had at
least heard of Krazy George! He's an ex-SJSU professor who
decided it was more fun to make noise at sporting events. He
was a regular at Seals games for years, then moved around the
country, showing up where he felt like it; I was wondering when
he was going to show up again...
---
Alan Hepburn "If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens,
National Semiconductor how incapable must Man be of learning from experience.
Santa Clara, Ca
email@hidden George Bernard Shaw
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 12:40 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 12:39:03 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Bald Guy
>>"And who is that bald guy with the drum??? Giving the gak a run for his
>>money on the noise-making!"
>Must be a newcomer! I thought everybody in the Bay Area had at
>least heard of Krazy George! He's an ex-SJSU professor who
>decided it was more fun to make noise at sporting events. He
>was a regular at Seals games for years, then moved around the
>country, showing up where he felt like it; I was wondering when
>he was going to show up again...
Not exactly showing up where he feels like it. He's a professional
cheerleader. he's the inventor of the Wave (which was first done at the B.C.
Lions of the CFL many years ago). Last time I talked to him, he was doing
games for both the B.C. Lions and the Minnesota Vikings this year, and I
believe was going to do a few more games for one other NFL team as well, but
I forget which.
He shows up at San Jose Giants games a lot to keep his voice in shape
(what's left of it). Fun guy.
They clearly hadn't clued in Dieter and the sound guy, though. he kept
getting stomped on, and he was getting rather pissed. After the second
period, some folks pointed out where the control booth was. For the third
period, it looks like they canned the recorded music to give him time in the
program, but Dieter was having some fun with the synth, too.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 12:53 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 12:51:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Don Kientzy
Subject: Please remove from Sharks mailing list
Please remove me from Sharks mailing list. Thanks!
Don
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 13:01 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 12:59:57 PDT
From: email@hidden (Rick Rees)
Subject: 2 Tix 30 Oct Washington
For sale, or trade for tix to different game.
Section 116, row 25, seats 1,2. That's on the blue line.
Saturday, Oct. 30, 7:30pm, vs. Washington.
$38 each, or trade.
-Rick
email@hidden
(415) 550-8209
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 13:14 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 13:10:56 PDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: Zetler playing time?
1)What`s with Constantine and Rob Zetler? Although Rob`s +/- wasn`t exactly
spectacular last year, he has had two years of experience with the Sharks. And
he certainly doesn`t give up the puck anymore often than Zmolek, More, or one
of the teenage phenoms. Could it be that the new bench minder is favoring the
players who played for him in KC?
2)Is there anyone else who agrees with me that "the Looon" seems to spend an
inordinate amount of time running around the ice out of position? He still
seems to be very undisciplined with respect to positional hockey.
The "Xeroid" who shares seats with Gary Bolles and Spouse.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 13:20 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 16:19:03 EDT
From: "Matthew E. Brown"
Subject: Sharks v Bruins (Bear's Eye View)
First Time Caller (as they say on talk radio).
Actually mostly a Shark-lurker, Bruin's fan, Irbe-fanatic. I tuned in to the
list to get the latest on Arturs this season, as local info east-coast was
bogus or non-existent. I've in the past pestered Nelson and Chuq about this,
and was cordially invited to join the list and leave them alone (just
kidding. Hi guys).
Also, as a Bruins Mailing-Lister for 2+ years, I was interested to compare
styles. Suffice to say, they are different. The Bruin's list has nothing
like the season ticket following on the Sharks list (either that or those
who hold aren't vocal about it). Rarely see tickets offered. Very few
talk about their experiences at the game. Most seem to be NESN/TV38 fans
(again, implied by lack of first-person narratives). Of course, you folks
have a new arena to brag about/find transit to. Overall, traffic is higher,
accounts are more detailed, crowd stuff is more discussed, as is off-ice
stuff, here than on the B's list. On the B's list, we tend more toward
complaining about Sinden and Jacobs, why we don't win every single game,
what a dope Featherstone is (see, something in common), and how the Habs
stole a Stanley Cup.
Well, the game. The Bruin's list thought both west coast ties were snoozers
(they were late, after all), but I'm sure you guys see it differently. The
Bruins had no offensive punch in either game. Oates has an arm injury, if
you were wondering why he took so few faceoffs, and this has really cramped
his style. The Kid Line (Stewart, Murray, Smolinski) is hitting but not
scoring. The other lines are not settled, and the defense really misses
Don Sweeney. The above is just to give you Shark's folks some perspective.
Back to the Sharks. I also have a sweet spot for Gaudreau, being a Providence
alum (our plot to take over the NHL step-by-step is suceeding wonderfully).
Glad to see he is doing well, and hope he will avoid a 2nd year slump.
Overall, the Sharks look much stronger than last year, and stronger and
more poised than the Ducks the night before (faint praise? not meant that
way). Real shame to see Larionov hurt. He was a standout on the early
shifts. Sharks defense is much stronger; Norton looked good, Oz looked
more steady, and Kroupa showed flashes. Odgers was suitably pesky.
Irbe was called "Irby" [erbee] by Fred Cusick for about half the game
until Derek "the Red" Sanderson corrected it enough times (Derek seems to
pronounce Russian and Czech names much better). Arturs played an excellent
game, stuffing some very strong chances and sending the Bruins into a
deeper scoring funk until Bourque's dinger. Fully deserved the #1 star (the
Boston station WSBK-TV38 gave him both the 1st Star and the Bud Player of
the Game award). Bruins have scored only 3 goals in the last 3 games, while
outshooting each opponent sizably, but 3 guys named Roy, Tugnutt, and Irbe
have had a say in that.
The hitting was pretty good, but not as good as the Ducks game. Sharks took
very few stupid penalties (often an early sign of an overall increase in
club skill level, in my opinion). I was hoping Kvartalnov would get a goal
so Sutter would get off his back, but no such luck, though he at least had
some shots. The guy would do very well if he was traded to a team that knew
how to use a big o/no d player, but Sutter is too concerned with trying to
get him to backcheck, then complains about a lack of scoring.
Back in Boston, we keep hearing that he will be dealt to one of the more
Euro-compatible clubs, the Sharks being one of the clubs mentioned.
My son 9-year old Chris has been a major Sharks fan since Day 1.
He took an evening nap so he could get up at 10:30pm to watch the game.
He has been a little swayed by the Ducks, but he decided to skip the Ducks
game Friday night and watch the Sharks instead. It took me a while to
convince him last year that Irbe really was a better goalie than Hackett
(whom he idolized for 3 reasons only: the last name, the Shark's #1 goalie,
and that Chris plays goal himself [only street/floor hockey so far]).
Dad, not much deeper, likes Irbe because: He saw Arturs play in an exhibition
years ago on a touring Russian team (he was loaned to Sokol Kiev for the
tour, I believe), he likes Russian hockey, and he was a goalie too.
Chris's favorite Christmas present last year was tickets to the Sharks/Bruins
game in February, and a hat and jersey to wear to the game (he was afraid
that Bruins fans would try to beat us up, so I had to wear a Bruins shirt for
protection, even though his fears were groundless).
Anyway, before I bore you folks any further, I'll end by mentioning that
the Boston announcers never called the new arena the "Epicenter", instead
going with the San Jose Arena, as printed on the ice. and by echoing the
question from Doug Fierro (which I was almost afraid to ask, figuring it
was a no-brainer for you folks, but since it isn't):
> And who is that bald guy with the drum??? Giving the gak a run for his
>money on the noise-making!
Being new to the list this year, I was listening all night to try to see if
I could tell, from TV, what sort of noises gak was famous for. The drum guy
was the only local disturbance they showed on TV, however, and that didn't
seem to fit. So enlighten me on both counts.
Matt Brown
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 13:47 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 13:45:40 +0800
From: email@hidden (Mike Eisler)
Subject: Re: ...and it's still too hot up in the nosebleed seats!
> From: email@hidden (Doug Fierro)
> To: email@hidden
> Subject: ...and it's still too hot up in the nosebleed seats!
>
>
> Yes, it is still hot as hell up there; even a guest who came to the
Yeah, it seemed cooler at opening night but it was noticeably warmer
in row 14, sec 213.
> It is weird to see #11 skating around out there and it not being Kisio.
> It is obvious however from the skating abilities of the new #11 that it
> is not our old hero anyway! And people ragging on Irbe here- geez, this
Well I'm sure this is a compliment or not, but isn't #11 now Gaetan Duschene?
During that game I saw him make some beautiful moves in on goal that of course
didn't produce a goal, but he looked pretty good.
> And who is that bald guy with the drum??? Giving the gak a run for his
> money on the noise-making!
King is gone, long live the King.
-mre
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 14:07 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 14:12:23 PDT
From: email@hidden (Doug Moran)
Subject: Re: Bald Guy
Chuq Von Rospach writes:
>
> They clearly hadn't clued in Dieter and the sound guy, though. he kept
> getting stomped on, and he was getting rather pissed. After the second
> period, some folks pointed out where the control booth was. For the third
> period, it looks like they canned the recorded music to give him time in the
> program, but Dieter was having some fun with the synth, too.
My take on it was that George and Dieter set up the drum beats on the
synth as a signal for George. You know: "your turn, George."
dougm
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 14:07 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 14:04:18 PDT
From: email@hidden (Jason Cockroft)
Subject: Re: Bald Guy
>Not exactly showing up where he feels like it. He's a professional
>cheerleader. he's the inventor of the Wave (which was first done at the B.C.
>Lions of the CFL many years ago). Last time I talked to him, he was doing
>games for both the B.C. Lions and the Minnesota Vikings this year, and I
>believe was going to do a few more games for one other NFL team as well, but
>I forget which.
>
>
Yeah. When I was a kid I used to go to the games at Empire Staduim
in Vancouver. The Edmonton Eskimos had this quarterback called
Warren Moon (yes, the same one), and he used to beat the _hit out
of the Lions everytime the came to town. Crazy George came up with
the wave to kill time in our 50-0 drummings.
Now back to hockey,
-jake.
shaaaaAAARRRKKKKK ATTACK!
Epicenter 209/16/5
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 14:15 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 14:10:37 PDT
From: email@hidden (Peter McCormick)
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Flames 2-1
Human? Irbe, no way, come-on. Just think, if he hadn't ducked
he might of gotten a concushion(sp?) or worse and missed the rest
of the game, or worse. Hmmm...o yeah...protective mask. Shoulda
taken it in the chops, bench him, trade him, throw the bum out.
Way to duck Irbe, save it for, The Cup.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 14:30 PDT 1993
From: Jeff Bandle
Subject: Re: Sharks lost to Calgary 2-1
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 14:28:54 PDT
Just my $0.02 on Thursday's game -
My wife, daughter and I took my father, who was visiting from St. Louis, to
the home opener as a surprise for him as he's a pretty big hockey fan. He
was very impressed with the new arena and thought the organizers did a great
job with the opening ceremonies and "gala" effects. We also were extremely
pleased with the parking situation. We found a $3.00 lot about a 10-15
minute walk from the arena. We had no problem getting downtown or leaving
either. Much better than the 30-45 minutes waits at the Cow Palace and the
St. Louis Arena. We got $38 seats about 20 rows behind Chuq and Laurie's
seats (nice jersey Chuq..made me sad to see Dougie walk out there in street
clothes to drop the first puck..betcha it tore him up).
Now to the game....As has been mentioned before by others, the Sharks offense
seemed pretty anemic. To me it looked like a combination of home opener
nerves and a Calgary team that looks VERY sound defensively. It did seem
that the Sharks have more confidence in trying to setup plays and such...
No more of this "lets just try to get the puck and pass it to somebody".
Instead it looks like they know what they want to do on the rushes down the
ice, its just that they haven't played together enough to get in sync.
With the injuries they've had and the lineup juggling they've been going
through, this isn't much of a surprise. Let the lineup get pared down a
little and things should hopefully stabilize. We've already seen that in
the nets with Irbe playing in his "wall" mindset. He was awesome and a
real treat to watch.
Unfortunately, I missed the last 2 goals of the game as I was stuck in a
concession line for ~20 minutes waiting to buy a Coke :-(...This was the only
real aggravation of the evening and I hope it works its way out as the
season progresses. Lots of new people doing new jobs, so there will be a
bit of a learning curve at first...I only got to see the McGinnis (sp?) goal
and it was a blast. I didn't really notice if Irbe flinched or not, but it
was put in a perfect spot to beat him.
The defense seemed to play pretty well, although there were a few coughups
by some of the newer guys that could have caused problems, but Irbe took
care of that. I really like watching Makarov..he seems so sure of himself
with the puck. There were several instances when 2 or 3 Sharks players
would be mucking with the puck, trying to control it, and he would just
skate over and pluck the puck off the ice and try to set up a play. If
they can get Larionov healthy for any period of time it should be fun to
watch these two work together.
Overall, a win would have been nice, but there seems to be a lot of promise
there and once the offense starts to click a little, there should be some
exciting times ahead...maybe not the playoffs, but not last year either..
Cheers,
Jeff B.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 14:38 PDT 1993
From: Nelson Lu
Subject: Zetler playing time? (fwd)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 14:36:49 -0700 (PDT)
Forwarded message:
> From: email@hidden
> 1)What`s with Constantine and Rob Zetler? Although Rob`s +/- wasn`t exactly
> spectacular last year, he has had two years of experience with the Sharks. And
> he certainly doesn`t give up the puck anymore often than Zmolek, More, or one
> of the teenage phenoms. Could it be that the new bench minder is favoring the
> players who played for him in KC?
Well, no. None of the three rookies playing (Kroupa, Rathje, and Sykora)
played at Kansas City last year. (Rathje and Sykora played one game each in
the IHL playoffs, if my memory serves) Zettler is benched because, frankly,
he is the least talented of the defensemen currently on Sharks roster. He
was an offensive zero last year, and wasn't too great on defense either. Both
More and Zmolek made more overall contributions.
And if Constantine were bringing up KC favorites, you would see Mike Colman,
Duane Joyce, and Victor Ignatjev up here. Constantine also cut his KC captain
(Mikhail Kravets) very early in training camp.
> 2)Is there anyone else who agrees with me that "the Looon" seems to spend an
> inordinate amount of time running around the ice out of position? He still
> seems to be very undisciplined with respect to positional hockey.
So far, it doesn't seem to have costed the team. And that's what Falloon's
accustomed to doing; to be in weird places to surprise the opposing defense.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 14:47 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 14:46:10 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Bald Guy
>My take on it was that George and Dieter set up the drum beats on the
>synth as a signal for George. You know: "your turn, George."
Maybe. It was clear they hadn't coordinated prior to the third (George
doesn't call people "Rat's Bastard" too often...), and as tightly scripted
as a Sharks game is, they forgot to make room for him. Another logistical
oopsie that I'm sure they'll work out if George comes back (hope he does. He
can really get a group rocking, and it's good to see him working locally).
It's amazing how many details there are in getting a function like this
going, and how few of them get dropped on the floor. And the ones the sharks
ARE dropping tend to be minor, and get fixed the second time through.
s
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 14:57 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 14:35:27 EST
From: "White, Todd"
Encoding: 890 Text
Subject: Re[2]: Sharks lose to Flames 2-1
Also...
>Wouldn't you? MacInnis only has about the hardest/fastest shot in the
>league. From my seat, the puck was headed right for Irbe's face.
>I know those masks are made to protect against injury from such shot
>but I think I could forgive him for maybe being startled. He's human.
Last year or the year before, Macinnis hit a slap in practice against Vernon.
Vernon took the shot to the "fancy" 1500$ mask, and it bent the center steel
rod that runs down the face. They had to cut the helmet off of Vernon's head
to get his head out. It seems that the steel bar had bent all the way into his
forehead. This was on a practice slapshot. I don't mind Irbe "ducking".
(Which I thought he did...) It is a gut reaction, especially with that cheesy
helmet/cage he wears. It's obviously no excuse, but that's the reality of
being a goaltender!
-Whitey
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 15:01 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 14:56:51 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Sharks lost to Calgary 2-1
> We found a $3.00 lot about a 10-15
> minute walk from the arena. We had no problem getting downtown or leaving
> either. Much better than the 30-45 minutes waits at the Cow Palace and the
> St. Louis Arena.
God, yes. We tried a different ($5) lot Saturday. It was raining, it was a
sellout, and the Symphony let out at almost the same time as the Sharks,
becuase as we drove to the freeway, we ran into that traffic, too. It was
the worst I've ever seen it. Took me a whole 20 minutes to go from my seat
to the freeway (in the slightly closer, $7 parking lot, it's between 10 and
15).
It's almost scary how painless this stuff is. It seems to be working like
it's supposed to.
>We got $38 seats about 20 rows behind Chuq and Laurie's
> seats (nice jersey Chuq..made me sad to see Dougie walk out there in street
> clothes to drop the first puck..betcha it tore him up).
Thanks. Doug signed it for me last season and got a kick out of it. I
retired the thing when Doug retired, but when I heard he was dropping the
puck, I brought it out one more time. (damn, I miss watching Wilson on the
ice. Maybe it's silly, but when I'm at a game, I watch the defensemen, not
the forwards).
Probably just as well. That jersey hasn't done the Sharks or Wilson much
good. He never skated a game after I ordered it, and I'm not sure the Sharks
won a game when I was wearing it. Better it gets framed and put on a wall
before it hurts someone seriously.
> Now to the game....As has been mentioned before by others, the Sharks offense
> seemed pretty anemic. To me it looked like a combination of home opener
> nerves and a Calgary team that looks VERY sound defensively.
Yeah. The Flames are GOOD. The flames are also a kind of team that the
Sharks traditionally have trouble with -- a fast, transition style team.
Even so, we did a pretty good job of containing them after the first period,
but their defense combined with missing two top offensive players and a
relatively weak offensive team to start made it tough. Plus, even when we
DID have passing lanes, the passes were slightly off.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 15:12 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 15:10:11 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Air Shark and Krazy George
> Ok on the opening night- yeah, Air Shark is pretty neat, but does anyone
> see the impending law suit waiting to happen? I mean they ran the
> thing into the upper-level crowd around section 204 on opening night. Those
> fans underneath the dirigible would not be kind to unsuspecting fingers or
> long hair! :-) And what was it dropping during the Bruins game?
It dropped two hats during the Bruins game.
There seem to be three propulsion/steering fans on the Air Shark, two in
the midsection and one near the front. I believe all three are well caged,
so it would be very difficult to involve fingers or hair. I could be wrong.
You say the ran the thing into the crowd; do you mean it actually touched
people, or was it just close? I noticed it got pretty close to the 204
area Saturday, but just barely close enough for reaching arms to touch
(closer than I would have put it, anyhow).
BTW, I told a Pittsburgh friend about it, and she said they have had one
for about two years! And, as I said earlier, I saw one on a Miami Panthers
telecast. So, it is not 1993 technology.
> It is weird to see #11 skating around out there and it not being Kisio.
> It is obvious however from the skating abilities of the new #11 that it
> is not our old hero anyway! ...
I was really disgusted at Duchesne Saturday night. Twice (at least), he
was doing a good job of hanging around at the crease, someone got a pass
to him, and it went sailing on by. He seemed totally worthless.
Maybe I'm just biased because he is disgracing my old #11 jersey. (I'm
trying to decide on whose number to put on my next one -- probably
Norton or Kroupa.)
> And who is that bald guy with the drum??? Giving the gak a run for his
> money on the noise-making!
That's Krazy George. He runs a bar or restaurant near Santa Cruz, and has
been a Bay Area cheerlead for many years, at Giants, A's, 49ers, Warriors,
Stanford, etc., games. I say hurrah for him. He did a lot to stir up a
largely apathetic crowd. We need more crowd NOISE!
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| Internet: email@hidden |
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 15:23 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 15:26:35 PDT
From: email@hidden (Steve Worth)
Subject: Irbe's new helmet?
Just wondering what ever happened to Irbe's new custom helmet.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 15:29 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Ice Insighjts
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 15:28:08 PDT
>I was unable to attend the "Ice Insights" on Saturday evening before the game.
>What did Lombardi have to say?
I was impressed with Lombardi's frankness.
He said, "this team really needs a number 2 center". The #2 center spot is
the biggest hole right now. A good center would spring Falloon.
He also mentioned that Viktor Kozlov has 9 goals in 11 games so far this
season. Now that the hellish ordeal of last year is over, he can settle
down and start playing. Lombardi hopes to have him here after the Olympics
if possible.
When asked about Rob Zettler he said that Rob was a good 5-6 dman. He can't
bring the puck up ice and he can't run your power play. Lombardi said he's
not involved with deciding who will play, and that Zettler is a question
mark right now.
He also described the incredible game that Andrei Nazarov had against the
Kings. Lombardi loves him. They put him down in KC to let him develop and
so that, "the kid doesn't get tested by every idiot in the NHL".
Maybe I'll remember more later.
Ken Zarifes
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 15:31 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 15:29:58 PDT
From: Laurie Sefton
Subject: Re: Irbe's new helmet?
There is a helmet/mask maker who has apparently declared bankruptcy. I've
been speculating whether Irbe and Waite's helmets have been held up
(or are in cold storage) because of this.
Laurie
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 15:34 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Patrick MacRoberts)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 15:32:33 -0700
"Zetler playing time?" (Oct 18, 1:10pm)
Subject: Re: Zetler playing time?
% 1) What`s with Constantine and Rob Zetler? Although Rob`s +/- wasn`t
% exactly spectacular last year, he has had two years of experience
% with the Sharks. And he certainly doesn`t give up the puck
% anymore often than Zmolek, More, or one of the teenage phenoms.
They're trying to trade him. He shared the +/- cellar award with
Winkinson and Zmolek last year. He's only scored 16 points as a Shark
(1G 15A) in 154 games. He had 7 assists last year (to Zmolek's 5G
10A).
He's not "Mr. Offense", which the one thing the Sharks are looking
for from their defense...
% Could it be that the new bench minder is favoring the players who
% played for him in KC?
Could be, a bit. Heck, he gave Freddy the "C". Kroupa didn't play for him in KC, neither did Rathje, Sykora, Norton, ...
% 2) Is there anyone else who agrees with me that "the Looon" seems to
% spend an inordinate amount of time running around the ice out of
% position? He still seems to be very undisciplined with respect
% to positional hockey.
Falloon, and all the other wingers, appear to be given a GREAT deal of
freedom in their movement on the ice. Much more so than either the
defensemen or the centers.
My only knock against Falloon is that he's not playing in front of the
point man, but behind him--across the blueline...
-Patrick
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 15:35 PDT 1993
From: HeroSoftwaemail@hidden
Subject: Re: Zetler playing time? (fwd)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 15:34:11 PDT
>And if Constantine were bringing up KC favorites, you would see Mike Colman,
>Duane Joyce, and Victor Ignatjev up here. Constantine also cut his KC captain
>(Mikhail Kravets) very early in training camp.
Cutting Kravets was apparently a very painful decision for Constantine. He
felt he had to do it because it was his opinion that Kravets hadn't recovered
from his knee surgery.
Ken Zarifes
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 15:44 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 15:39:28 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Zetler playing time?
>Could be, a bit. Heck, he gave Freddy the "C". Kroupa didn't play
>for him in KC, neither did Rathje, Sykora, Norton, ...
Players vote for Captain, I believe. And I believe that Errey is the
Captain, and Odgers an Assistant wearing a C until Errey returns.
(I think. Since I've never seen an official announcement of this in the
press, it's all hearsay from piecing together various statements I've seen
printed). The other Assistant is Jay More, with Pat Falloon as hot spare.
>Falloon, and all the other wingers, appear to be given a GREAT deal of
>freedom in their movement on the ice. Much more so than either the
>defensemen or the centers.
Well, you can set up plays and put people in set places and wait for the
defense to intercept the passes, or you can use your scatter players to
wander around and try to create opportunities and create defensive lapses...
I think this is a case of actually trying to make things happen rather than
mindless wandering. And given Falloon's point total for the year, it seems
to be working, no?
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 15:55 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 15:54:09 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Ray Whitney
> % Whitney is still getting pushed around, though. He still doesn't have that
> % Fluery quickness required to avoid those big D-men.
>
> BUT, this year he's beating EVERYBODY to the puck. That's a huge
> change. He's also not shying away from the corners. Another huge
> change. I think he's faster (and quicker) this year than last. But
> he needs to get quicker still to be able to do anything Fleury-like...
Whitney was one of the two Sharks who really upset me Saturday night.
(The other was Duchesne.) The poor kid would make a good break, then
be unable to finish it because some Bruin tinked him with his little
finger. (Okay, so I exaggerate a bit, but only a bit.) Someone would
feed him a pass, and he looked like he didn't have a clue what to do
with it. He would try to check someone, and get nowhere with it.
I did get a good laugh at his trying to move Featherstone, failing to
do so, and then head-butting him in the gut -- like he was trying to get
better leverage that way.
I'm sorry, but he's a little kid trying to play like Sykora. If he
could play like Fleury, he might have a chance, but not this way!
I say, send Whitney to KC, for good.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 16:06 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 16:05:21 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: Ice Insights
> >What did Lombardi have to say?
>
> Nobody knows. The fan noise drowned him out. (it was done down in the
> loading dock area. The Sharks hit another logistical oopsie here that needs
> tweaking...)
To amplify what Chuq said, the fan noise was air-conditioning noise, not
Shark-fan noise. It was in the industrial-type area, where the Zambonis
are stored, under the Mighty ducts. We had folding chairs that looked
like the seats in the 121-122 retractable seating. By the time it was
over, more than half the people had left, including some real trufans.
I was sitting half-way back, and had to cup my ears to hear most of
Lombardi's comments. And Lombardi never got the hint to repeat
people's questions. Diane Wossname is well aware that they have to
do it better, somehow. Maybe they could take over the Club area.
And allowing 300 of the 12,500 season-ticket holders to try to attend
just doesn't cut it, IMHO.
And while I am on the soapbox, they gave out fridge-magnet schedules
at the main entrance, but NOT at the Insights entrance (another of
the little oopsies, as Chuq called them).
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 16:07 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 16:02:59 PDT
From: kahului!email@hidden (Douglas J Whisler)
Subject: Re: Sharks tie Bruins 1-1
The eye-on-the-glass report:
> but yet the Sharks
> had the only goal of the period. Mike Rathje, making his NHL debut, had
> stopped the puck at the right point, and he sent it deep down the right wing to
> Rob Gaudreau, who centered it in front to an open Jamie Baker, and Baker
> deflected Gaudreau's pass past Casey.
>
Baker wasn't any open on this play. He had a defensman almost draped on him.
Gaudreau held the puck til just the right moment and threaded the puck
to Baker, who may have bunted it or flicked it in mid-air. I'd love to
see tape of this play.
About the dual-ing Zambonis: IMO, the ice is infact worse with 2 than 1.
They aren't scraping the same or laying down the same amount of water,
thus leaving an uneven surface, not to mention they miss places and
left a big blob of freezing slush about 2-3 ft outside the crease that
Irbe (or someone) had to scrape out. Better they take 1 Zamboni and
take the alloted 15min and do a right job of it, IMO.
About the GOON sign. Don't know who it is, but I hope he keeps it up!!!
About Crazy George: Ah, it stirred my heart when I heard that drum. (It
shows us who were Seals fans, eh?) George was a fixture of Seals games,
particularly when there were so few people there. He would even get into
yelling matches with the opposing players, riling them up. This was back when
glass was shorter and there wasn't any behind the benches, so you could
'chat' with the players.
- DW
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 16:11 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 16:09:32 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: transactions!
Just over the radio. The Sharks have waived David Bruce and David Capuano,
and have acquired (?)Gary Emmons(?) from the Blades? (I don't have any name
like that in the media guide or preseason rosters, but that seems to be what
KNBR announced).
Note KNBR says waived. They didn't go to the Blades, they're history.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 16:12 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 16:10:35 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Ray Whitney
>I did get a good laugh at his trying to move Featherstone, failing to
>do so, and then head-butting him in the gut -- like he was trying to get
>better leverage that way.
hey, at least he TRIED! Last year, how many Sharks did that?
>I'm sorry, but he's a little kid trying to play like Sykora. If he
>could play like Fleury, he might have a chance, but not this way!
>I say, send Whitney to KC, for good.
I disagree. I want to see how the Whitney/Larionov/Makarov line works. It's
not going to be a physical line, but a finesse line with a strong European
strategy. That means lots of flitting and fluttering and also being knocked
off the puck at times, but it also means defensive breakdowns and goals, if
it works.
Whitney has just been moved to a position he's not familiar with and hasn't
practiced much. give him a chance to figure out how to play the other wing.
That kind of swap isn't easy.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 16:32 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 16:30:02 PDT
From: email@hidden (Rick Rees)
Subject: Re: Zetler playing time? (fwd)
>email@hidden:
> Zettler is benched because, frankly,
> he is the least talented of the defensemen currently on Sharks roster. He
> was an offensive zero last year, and wasn't too great on defense either. Both
> More and Zmolek made more overall contributions.
>
Neither More nor Zmolek can handle the puck. They are almost
guaranteed to turn it over. At least Zettler can skate the
puck out of his own end. Granted none are prize defensemen,
but we better hope they all get a clue soon, before the shots-on
total starts rising, and Irbe collapses (remember last season ...
the horror ... the horror).
-Rick
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 16:34 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 16:21:07 PDT
From: email@hidden (Rob Eccles)
Subject: SHARKS Tickets For Sale
I still have two tickets for the San Jose SHARKS vs the Washington
Capitols game left to sell. The tickets for the Vancouver game have
been sold.
Bait: Washington Capitols
When: Saturday October 30 @ 7:30 PM
Where: San Jose Arena
Seats: Section 203 (corner view of goal Sharks shoot at for 2 periods)
Row 7
Seats 1&2 (aisle seats)
Cost: $28 * 2 = $56 (face value)
Please contact me if you are interested in this game.
Rob Eccles
408-730-3671 (work)
email@hidden
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 16:39 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 16:38:02 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Gary Emmons
Found him in the media guide. He evidently wasn't in camp, and was with the
Blades as a free agent.
Gary Emmons, Center, 5-9/170, 29 going on 30 years old, shoots right. From N
Michigan. Four+ years of IHL experience, some AHL experience, no NHL games.
Last year, he was 37-44-81 in 80 games with 80 PIM for the Blades, and has
consistently averaged a point a game over four years in the IHL.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 16:49 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 16:50:35 +0800
From: email@hidden (Michael Bothe)
Subject: Re: Irbe's new helmet?
>Just wondering what ever happened to Irbe's new custom helmet.
I never heard talk of him getting a custom mask, although it would be nice
to see him in one.
I see Jimmy finally painted his Hawks mask white, or got out the spare.
--
Michael
The truth is out there
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 16:55 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 16:53:51 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Irbe's new helmet?
>I never heard talk of him getting a custom mask, although it would be nice
>to see him in one.
It was discused in the final program book last season, along with a picture.
It has since disappeared. (maybe someone ought t call the Sharks and ask..)
>I see Jimmy finally painted his Hawks mask white, or got out the spare.
Actually, it's taped white. He has one on order, but which hasn't arrived.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 17:03 PDT 1993
From: "Jeffrey T. Johnson"
Subject: Another Arena Transportation Option
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 17:01:36 PDT
On Saturday, me and the wife, along with another couple, tried a different
transportation option. The four of us took advantage of a coupon in the
Season Ticket Holder's Coupon Book and ate dinner at Lou's Village, and
we then took the Lou's Village shuttle from the restaurant to the game.
Good food, free parking, and a convient shuttle that drops you off at the
Arena -- not a bad deal. On top of that, Tom Muller, the owner, stopped
by our table and chatted. Really a nice place. And if you go there, make
sure you tell Tom that you're a Shark Byte member!
/jeff
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 17:28 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 17:26:32 PDT
From: email@hidden (Rick Rees)
Subject: Taking the train
>From SF, you can bring the $9 round-trip fare down
to about $7.50 by buying a 20-ride ticket. They
said I could share the ticket with another person
on the train with me.
-Rick
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 17:32 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Mark Spiegel)
Subject: Re: Ice Insighjts
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 17:29:52 PDT
From what I can remember/hear(the HVAC was LOUD):
Lombardi briefly reviewed all the off-ice transactions
that Sharks went through last year. Reiterated that
in his mind we got shafted on the Simpson deal.
Said the Flames management is impressed with the maturity
of our young defensemen.
Some comments made on specific players.
1. Nazarov "hits everyone" rather than just those
who won't retaliate. Lombardi sounds in awe of
him and believes Nazarov is ready for the NHL now,
but they sent him down to KC for what sounded like
culture adjustment. He also mentioned letting
Nazarov ease into the NHL style. Lombardi recalled
how in the LA preseason game Nazarov was hitting
so many Kings that Melrose sent Rychel out to
goon on Andrei. . . .Andrei almost "twisted Rychel's
head off." Mark Hardy "took a 15 foot run at Nazarov
and bounced off onto the ice." Lombardi felt that if
Nazarov played right now in SJ, he might get zeroed in
on by other teams as a goon and that this would jeopardize
his adjustment to the NHL. Lombardi expects Nazarov
to come up in a couple of months.
2. Nazarov with his combined size and skills caused Dean
to comment on Kozlov. So far this year Kozlov has
9 goals in 11 games. Lombardi commented on the
treatment Kozlov had received _last_ year in RUssia,
and, implicity, it's effect on his performance.
Several of the Russian hockey organizations that Kozlov
played for (Dynamo, Russian Federation, I guess)
regularly tried to pressure Kozlov into signing
contracts that would make big $ for the org (once
Victor was drafted by the NHL) but leave Victor
relatively penniless. They threatened to not let
Victor play if he didn't sign. Sounded like
Victor went through a lot of politics and attempts
at manipulation.
Lombardi expects Kozlov to come to the Sharks in
March after the Olympics.
3. Marcus Ragnarsson is ready to play at the NHL level
now, will be here next year. Sounds like Marcus
Thurreson probably won't ever be coming to the NHL.
4. Jan Caloun is a player who in one game looks ready
to step into the NHL, and the next looks like
he'll never be NHL material.
5. Zettler isn't playing simply because he has been
passed by the new rookies (Kroupa, Sykora, Rathje)
6. Gaudreau must devlop more aspects of his game
beyond goal scoring.
6. Lombardi said the Sharks decided last spring that
Gaetz' (unspecified) off-ice antics were too much
and decided to trade him. At first they expected
to get a 4th or 5th round pick, but after the
other teams got-wind of the Linker's off-ice things
all Lombardi could get was the 10th round from Edm.
7. Lombardi expects the roster to be trimmed down closer
to the final roster this week.
8. He fully expects Errey (2 Cup rings) and Duchense (Cup
final w/ Stars) to get fed up with the losing
soon and start providing the lockeroom leadership
needed for a winning attitude and play. "these
guys aren't losers and they won't stand for losing"
Similarly for Lalor.
9. Next Insights is the Oct 30th game, speaker
will be Coach Constantine.
Mark
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 17:54 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Patrick MacRoberts)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 17:52:21 -0700
"transactions!" (Oct 18, 4:09pm)
Subject: Re: transactions!
% Just over the radio. The Sharks have waived David Bruce and David Capuano,
% and have acquired (?)Gary Emmons(?) from the Blades?
A free-agent signing, no doubt. He's led the Blades in scoring for
the past two years.
Emmons, Gary B: 12/30/63 at Winnipeg, Man. 5'9"/170 Shoots Right.
Year(s) Team GP G A P PIM GP G A P PIM
83-87 Northern Mich. 149 130 113 243 157 - - - - -
87-88 Milwaukee 13 3 4 7 4 - - - - -
Nova Scotia 59 18 27 45 22 - - - - -
88-89 Canadian Natl 49 16 26 42 42 - - - - -
89-90 Kalamazoo 81 41 59 100 38 - - - - -
90-91 Kalamazoo 62 25 33 58 26 11 5 8 13 6
91-92 Kansas City 80 29 54 83 60 15 6 13 19 8
92-93 Kansas City 80 37 44 81 80 12 7 6 13 8
-Patrick
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 18:18 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Patrick MacRoberts)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1993 18:16:35 -0700
"Ray Whitney" (Oct 18, 3:54pm)
Subject: Re: Ray Whitney
% I'm sorry, but he's a little kid trying to play like Sykora. If he
% could play like Fleury, he might have a chance, but not this way!
%
% I say, send Whitney to KC, for good.
Who pissed in your Cheerios, Ed? Geez! You'd think it was the
end-of-the-world. Give the kid a chance.
He's a little guy trying to make the team so he can make a living.
He's doing what it takes to get the job done. Tilting at windmills if
he has to, and working his butt off. Like the rest of the team, he's
a little out of position, and a little out of sync with his linemates.
Given some time, he'll get it...
-Patrick "Who, pray tell, would you replace him with?!"
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 18:58 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden
Subject: Re: Ray Whitney
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 18:57:24 PDT
Lombardi said that Whitney isn't there yet, but the main thing is that he
has improved over last year. He worked very hard over the summer. His
skating has improved and needs to improve more.
He's working hard and improving, what more can you want at this point??
Ken Zarifes
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 19:51 PDT 1993
Date: 18 Oct 1993 19:51:46 -0800
From: "Dave Comstock"
Subject: Re: Gary Emmons
Reply to: RE>Gary Emmons
Chuq sez:
>[Gary Emmons] evidently wasn't in camp, and was with the Blades as a
>free agent.
He wasn't in the Sharks' training camp this season, but I believe he was
invited to the previous two camps as a free agent (and Blades player).
After the great numbers he'd put up the last two seasons (I believe he was the
Blades regular season or league playoff MVP in 1991-2; I can't remember
which), I was kinda wondering why he was only under contract to the Blades. I
figured he was probably the type of player who excels at the minor league level
but no one thinks they can play at the NHL level: a top-notch career minor
leaguer, similar to David Bruce.
Hopefully, Emmons can rise above the "career minor leaguer" label and make an
impact in the NHL.
Dave Comstock
120/7/7-10
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 20:09 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Daryll France)
Subject: Re: Zettler playing time
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 16:12:51 PDT
I realize that I'm in the minority, but I like Zettler. He is easily
one of the Sharks best defensive defensemen. The facts bear this out.
Last year, in every key short-handed situation, Kingston put Zmolek
and Zettler on the ice to kill the penalties. They were very sucessful
in this capacity.
Unfortunately, the whole league is (gratefully) moving towards the
European style of hockey which is a much faster, finesse-style game.
All the best teams are collecting young (and old) defensemen with size,
speed, and agility. More and more of them are contributing on offense.
Look at Sandis, Scott Niedermeyer, Scott Stevens, Kasparitis, LaChance,
Malakov, et. al.
Zettler is not a great skater and he can't shoot. He has all the
necessary skills for a defensemen playing a defensive style of game,
but all the new kids with possibly the exception of Rathje and Cronin,
are the new style of offensive defensemen. That is why he isn't
playing. That is why he should be traded, rather than being scratched
day in and day out. I think he deserves more respect than that.
-Daryll
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 20:13 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 20:11:21 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Gary Emmons
>Hopefully, Emmons can rise above the "career minor leaguer" label and make an
>impact in the NHL.
The other thought that comes to mind: since they expect him to be a
part-timer at best, filling in for resting or injured players, you don't
bring up your major prospects -- you bring him up, so the kids can play full
time and continue development. You don't want, say, nazarov wasting his time
growing splinters.
If there's a major injury where someone's out a while, I expect they'd bring
up someone else and Emmons would still ride the bench.
I find it interesting (if true) that they sprung Capuano and Bruce free
completely. It gives them a chance to land elsewhere, perhaps, but I don't
find it likely. Capuano was at best marginal here AND in Tampa, and Bruce
simply never looked good with the injuries (and after). But they clearly
felt they didn't need them down in K.C., where they obviously want the
future Sharks playing. This is (again) an encouraging sign, although I'm
sorry to see Bruce move on. He stuck longer than Craig Coxe did, though.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 20:32 PDT 1993
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 93 20:30:27 -0700
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Zettler playing time
>I realize that I'm in the minority, but I like Zettler.
I like Zettler. Just not on the ice.
>He is easily
>one of the Sharks best defensive defensemen. The facts bear this out.
Yeah. He had the worst +- on the team, on a team with ALMOST the worst
penalty kill in the league. (22nd, 76.6%). He did so while averaging almost
2 penalty minutes a game in his Shark career, and scoring a massive 0-7-7 in
80 games last year.
>Last year, in every key short-handed situation, Kingston put Zmolek
>and Zettler on the ice to kill the penalties. They were very sucessful
>in this capacity.
22nd in the league isn't what I'd call successful. We sucked last year. That
they had to depend on Zettler indicates more how bad we were rather than how
good Rob is.
>Look at Sandis, Scott Niedermeyer, Scott Stevens, Kasparitis, LaChance,
No, don't look at Kasparitis, at least until he loses another 15 pounds.
It's disgusting. But I digress.
> Zettler is not a great skater and he can't shoot.
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?
You're seeing things through rose colored glasses, Daryll. Zettler was a
marginal player on a very marginal defense last year. He may have looked
good to you, but some of us shuddred when he hit the ice (well, he was
better than Dean "instant power play" Kolstad or David Williams, but that's
not saying much [oh, FWIW: David has been sent to the Gulls by the Ducks.
He couldn't even stick with them]). If you look at the stats, what you see
is not someone who played pretty well, but someone who was doing what he
could because the team had nobody better to go to, and played pretty poorly.
His time has come. He was one of those warm bodies expansion teams carry
because they need so many men to fill out the bench and keep the real
players from getting exhausted. The Sharks have gotten good enough that they
don't need him any more. If it weren't for us, he would have been out of the
league 150 games ago. If they can trade him, great, but I'll be amazed if he
goes to anyone but another expansion team, and I'll be amazed if he does
more than role play.
He's a neat guy. He worked his ass off. He simply doesn't have the skills
for the NHL. He'll continue to score a goal every 100 games or so, an assist
every ten, and rack up a couple of penalty minutes a game, probably in a key
situation.
I hate to be brutal, but there's no way I can sit here and stare at the
stats and think about watching Rob struggle on the ice for the last couple
of years and think anything else. He always gave it his all, and his work
ethic and attitude were exemplary, but he always made me feel like he was on
double runners and playing with his daddy's hockey stick.
I'll miss him, like I miss DePalma and Carter for their hustle. But I'm
frankly glad that the Sharks have gotten good enough that players like that
can no longer earn spots on the roster. It means we're a hockey team, rather
than an expansion team.
(now if you ask me, Rob might be able to play in the IHL or AHL a while
longer, and may well make a fine minor league coach. But if he plays another
50 NHL games in his career, I'm buying the beer.)
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From Shark-Bytes-request Mon Oct 18 23:25 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 02:13:03 EDT
Subject: Fan guidlines...
I would just like to point out to Dave Comstock that it is rude hockey
manners to mug a cheering Bruins fan. I was just cheering on the best team in
the NHL. God forgive me for having taste.
:)
Dave wasn't even wearing sharks colors. He was dressed in a Sabers (!?!?!)
jersey. Overall, I was glad to see a tie. I got to see both teams get a
point.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 19 09:00 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 08:59:44 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: transactions!
>Just over the radio. The Sharks have waived David Bruce and David Capuano,
>and have acquired (?)Gary Emmons(?) from the Blades? (I don't have any name
>like that in the media guide or preseason rosters, but that seems to be what
>KNBR announced).
Okay, here's what's in the paper this morning. Capuano and Bruce are both
going through waivers. If they clear, they're Blades. if not, they belong to
whoever claims them. Gary Emmons has been purchased from the Blades. He's
considered a finisher.
The lines are being shaken up:
Line 1: Pat Falloon LW, Gary Emmons C, Sergei Makarov RW
Line 2: LW Johan Garpenlov, Kip MIller C, Ray Whitney RW.
This means Patty is going to the left to work with Makarov, and Whitney is
going back to the right to work with Johan. The only player 'out of
position' in all this now is Falloon, a natural RW, but he can also center
and generally floats anyway, so it's probably a lesser problem than with
someone like Makarov.
Still no word on the Rob Zettler hostage watch, but I'm hearing bagpipes in
the distance. Perhaps a rescue party is out on the moors. By my count we
still have something like nine defenseman on staff (well, eight and
Zettler), so one of these minutes, we need to see some folks cut.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 19 09:05 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 09:04:10 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
email@hidden
Subject: Re: Gary Emmons
>>Hopefully, Emmons can rise above the "career minor leaguer" label and make an
>>impact in the NHL.
>The other thought that comes to mind: since they expect him to be a
>part-timer at best, filling in for resting or injured players, you don't
>bring up your major prospects -- you bring him up, so the kids can play full
>time and continue development. You don't want, say, nazarov wasting his time
>growing splinters.
boy, I blew this one big time, didn't I?
Um, never mind...
chuq (just keeping the record straight)
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 19 09:38 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 09:36:44 -0700
From: email@hidden (Gary Schwartz)
Subject: Re: Fan guidlines...
>I would just like to point out to Dave Comstock that it is rude hockey
>manners to mug a cheering Bruins fan. I was just cheering on the best team in
>the NHL. God forgive me for having taste.
>:)
Jeff, I thought you said you were rooting for the Bruins? Everyone
knows the best team in the NHL plays at MSG.
>
>Dave wasn't even wearing sharks colors. He was dressed in a Sabers (!?!?!)
>jersey. Overall, I was glad to see a tie. I got to see both teams get a
>point.
At least Dave has the good sense to root for a team from NY (even if it's
from upstate NY).
Hey I was glad to see the Sharks get the point as well.
gary
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 19 10:09 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 10:06:43 +0800
From: email@hidden (Robert Allen)
Subject: Re: Ice Insights
>>>I was unable to attend the "Ice Insights" on Saturday evening before the game.
>>>What did Lombardi have to say?
>>
>>Nobody knows. The fan noise drowned him out. (it was done down in the
>>loading dock area. The Sharks hit another logistical oopsie here that needs
>>tweaking...)
>>
>>Seriously though, what I did hear sounded like all the stuff that's ended up
>>in Mike Weaver's columns since the end fo last season. It was an attempt to
>>describe offseason transactions, draft stuff, strategies and explain why we
>>have a goalie with a sub-3 GAA who hasn't won yet (our offense is weak...)
>>
>>As someone I talked to put it, if they had to waste an Insights to get the
>>logistics down, this was a great one to waste. Lombardi isn't a thrilling
>>public speaker...
I disagree. I found Lombardis candor remarkable. Here's some of what he said:
It sounded to me like he was saying Zettler may not be with us much
longer, because we now have better players in his place, but Lombardi
by no means made implied that Zettler would ABSOLUTELY be going away.
He probably won't be getting much ice time however.
Cronin: "Cronin has a unique role, and he accepts that role. He adds
another type of dimension to play. When the coach feels the need for
that dimension, he'll put Cronin in, otherwise he probably won't."
About someone (Nehmeroth?): "He showed up at the [Kings?] game with
only some gym shorts. The first thing we did was get him a suit...
He really surprised us when he got out on the ice...he hit everything
in sight. He can really skate too. Eventually XXX [the oppositions'
goon] tried to [smash him], but XXX just hit him, then fell down in
a heap. Later XXX blind-side him with a punch. [Nehmeroth?] just
got up, SQUEEZED XXXs helmet off, and threw it into the crowd. It's
too bad they broke up that fight, because I think he would have broken
XXX in half."
Falloon smiled when he heard how big some of the guys coming to the
team (and his line?) were.
Guidreau (sp?) will have to become a more versitile player if he wants
to stay on the team. He's not a pure goal scorer (like Falloon) and so
he'll have to show other skills to fill the time between his goals.
RE: the drummer - it got old real quick. Not everyone wants a damn drum
battered in their ear. If I wanted idiots like that I could go to a baseball
game.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 19 10:23 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 10:20:45 +0800
From: email@hidden (Robert Allen)
Subject: Re: Sharks Digest #81 (Tue Oct 19, 1993)
>>> Ok on the opening night- yeah, Air Shark is pretty neat, but does anyone
>>> see the impending law suit waiting to happen? I mean they ran the
>>> thing into the upper-level crowd around section 204 on opening night. Those
>>> fans underneath the dirigible would not be kind to unsuspecting fingers or
>>> long hair! :-) And what was it dropping during the Bruins game?
>>
>>It dropped two hats during the Bruins game.
Y'all must be talking about "Air Whale" eh? The giant inflatable
whale with teeth painted on? The one that some way put a "Free Willy"
sign on when it was parked under the stands?
Geez. Give me back Sharkys antics at the period breaks. Let's have
some vehicles careening around the ice. Something. Not this commercialist
crap-ola.
R.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 19 10:27 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 10:26:26 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Ice Insights
>I disagree. I found Lombardis candor remarkable. Here's some of what he said:
No, I appreciate his candor. But with very few exceptions, what he said (at
least, what I heard of what he said) has been in Mike Weaver's columns
already. Not a lot of new material, if you follow the press.
But I'd rather have candor any day than mumblemouth.
> Cronin: "Cronin has a unique role, and he accepts that role.
Mongo stomp! (hey, it's better than working at Burger king!)
> About someone (Nehmeroth?):
Nazarov.
> Later XXX blind-side him with a punch. [Nehmeroth?] just
> got up, SQUEEZED XXXs helmet off, and threw it into the crowd. It's
> too bad they broke up that fight, because I think he would have broken
> XXX in half."
hehehe......
>RE: the drummer - it got old real quick. Not everyone wants a damn drum
>battered in their ear. If I wanted idiots like that I could go to a baseball
>game.
Aw, I LIKE George. Who needs another rendition of that damn hockey song,
anyway.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 19 11:07 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 11:04:55 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: Ray Whitney
> Lombardi said that Whitney isn't there yet, but the main thing is that he
> has improved over last year. He worked very hard over the summer. His
> skating has improved and needs to improve more.
>
> He's working hard and improving, what more can you want at this point??
I can want working hard and improving *and getting the job done*.
-----------------------------------------------------
| Ed Rush, not speaking for Metaphor, Mtn. View, CA |
| Internet: email@hidden |
| "My Macintosh doesn't go out in the rain." |
| Epicenter 117/17/11-12 |
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 19 11:25 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 11:04:55 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: Ray Whitney
> Lombardi said that Whitney isn't there yet, but the main thing is that he
> has improved over last year. He worked very hard over the summer. His
> skating has improved and needs to improve more.
>
> He's working hard and improving, what more can you want at this point??
I can want working hard and improving *and getting the job done*.
-----------------------------------------------------
| Ed Rush, not speaking for Metaphor, Mtn. View, CA |
| Internet: email@hidden |
| "My Macintosh doesn't go out in the rain." |
| Epicenter 117/17/11-12 |
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 19 12:10 PDT 1993
From: Richard Buckberg
Subject: Tix for sale Tuesday or Thurs 10/19 & 10/21
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 12:07:52 -0700
Two tix for sale, Section 120, Row 18, aisle seats for TONIGHT and Thursday
night.
Call me at (415) 332-6972 if interested.
Richard Buckberg
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 19 13:15 PDT 1993
Date: 19 Oct 93 13:10:00 PST
From: "MOSHE PREIL (22117)"
Subject: TICKET FOR SALE, NOV. 23 (DETROIT)
One seat, section 209, row 17 (the loud section), $14.
That's the Tuesday before Thanksgiving. Contact me via
email, email@hidden
See you tonight at the Epicenter. GO SHARKS!!
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 19 13:42 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 13:45:26 PDT
From: email@hidden (Steve Worth)
Subject: Video screen
Talking to friend from Sony Jumbotron div, and he said that the
arena went out and bought the cheapest system they could find.
He's heard alot of the same complaits that everybody keeps
voicing, and laughs and wonders how long until they get smart
and buy a new one.
Hope it comes soon.
steve 219/1-2
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 19 14:22 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 14:20:29 -0700
From: email@hidden (Erik Schwartz)
Subject: tix for toninght
Two tickets for sale for tonights game against St Louis.
Sec 223 row 7 12-13
Goalie view upper level
end sharks defend twice
these are great seats
right over an entrance tunnel so they are effectivly in the second row
Call Steve Toy
408 562 9218
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Erik Schwartz ICTV Inc.
email@hidden (408) 562-9200
Epicenter 223/6/12-13 It's not easy, being teal...
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 19 14:25 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 14:23:48 -0700
From: email@hidden (Erik Schwartz)
Subject: tix for toninght
the price is face value, $28 dollars each
>
>To:email@hidden
>From:email@hidden (Erik Schwartz)
>Subject:tix for toninght
>
>Two tickets for sale for tonights game against St Louis.
>
>Sec 223 row 7 12-13
>Goalie view upper level
>end sharks defend twice
>these are great seats
>right over an entrance tunnel so they are effectivly in the second row
>
>Call Steve Toy
>408 562 9218
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Erik Schwartz ICTV Inc.
email@hidden (408) 562-9200
Epicenter 223/6/12-13 It's not easy, being teal...
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 19 14:28 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 14:26:13 -0700
From: Mitch Wright
Subject: Re: Ray Whitney
/* Ed Rush [email@hidden] writes: */
>> Lombardi said that Whitney isn't there yet, but the main thing is that he
>> has improved over last year. He worked very hard over the summer. His
>> skating has improved and needs to improve more.
>>
>> He's working hard and improving, what more can you want at this point??
>
>I can want working hard and improving *and getting the job done*.
>
With that sort of sentiment, our record says that they should just cut the
entire team, with the exception of *very few* players...
``Getting the job done'' is relative. Until he becomes a liability, or we
have someone in the wings we *know* will do better *now*, it would be silly
to give up on him. He has potential, and based on his efforts over the
summer and showing so far, he's improved in the desire category. I'm really
excited thinking of a line like Whitney-Larionov-Makarov. Throw a decent
defence (balanced in size and speed) and you'd have something.
~mitch
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 19 15:15 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 15:14:05 PDT
From: email@hidden (Gary A. Bolles)
Subject: Tickets for Sale
As usual, I cannot attend Tuesday night games so I have a few tickets
that I'd like to sell to a bonafide Sharks fan or two. My seats are
in Section 202, Row 2, Seats 9+10.
These are on the Upper Rim between the blue line and the faceoff circle
at the end the Sharks attack twice. They are also *directly* at the
top of the escalator at the main entrance so getting in and out is quick
and painless. Perhaps the best thing is that they are mere steps from
the Gordon Biersh stand! They are *GREAT* seats. The games I have to
miss are:
Tue 10/26 Edmonton
Tue 12/07 Tampa Bay
Tue 2/08 Chicago
The price is $76 (face value) for the pair. If you're interested in any
of these games, let me hear from you and THANKS!
-gab-
Gary A. Bolles | Sun Microsystems Federal, Inc.
Software Release Engineering/CM | 2550 Garcia Ave., MIL06-94
email@hidden (408) 276-3672 | Mountain View, CA 94043-1100
Keep America Singing - SPEBSQSA | GO SHARKS
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 19 16:43 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 16:41:48 -0700
From: email@hidden (Peter Jacobs)
Subject: Zamboni Song
Has anyone besides myself gotten tired of hearing the silly Zamboni Song
played in between periods???
Just wondering...
Peter J.
210/15/11-13
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 19 17:20 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (David B. Schnepper)
Subject: Tix4sale: 10/26 Edm (2) & 10/30 Wash (4)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 17:21:11 PDT
We have the following tickets available:
Section 217, Row 8, seats 9..12, $28 each
Oct 26, Tues, Edmonton (2 seats)
Oct 30, Sat, Washington (4 seats)
Please reply by mail or voice if interested.
Dave
--
David B. Schnepper Borland
InterBase Internationalization Engineer InterBase Unit
Internet: email@hidden 100 Borland Way, F3061
+1 408-431-2045 (voice) +1 408-431-4109 (FAX) Scotts Valley, CA 95067 USA
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 19 17:33 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 17:31:21 -0700
From: email@hidden (Erik Schwartz)
Subject: tickets
Tickets for tonight
223 row 7 seats 12,13
face value $24 each
make me an offer before 6:30 and I can meet you at the epicenter
erik
408 562 9215
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Erik Schwartz ICTV Inc.
email@hidden (408) 562-9200
Epicenter 223/6/12-13 It's not easy, being teal...
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 19 17:40 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 17:36:26 PDT
From: email@hidden (John Reed)
Subject: Re: Zamboni Song
>Has anyone besides myself gotten tired of hearing the silly Zamboni Song
>played in between periods???
I guess you didn't go to the Cow Palace, or you would be used to it by now.
:-)
I want to drive the Zamboni...
JR.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 19 18:45 PDT 1993
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 18:50:22 PDT
From: email@hidden (Doug Moran)
Subject: Re: Zamboni Song
John Reed writes:
> >Has anyone besides myself gotten tired of hearing the silly Zamboni Song
> >played in between periods???
>
> I guess you didn't go to the Cow Palace, or you would be used to it by now.
>
> :-)
Hey, it could be worse; I had "The Good Ol' Hockey Game" stuck in my
head for a better part of the morning. You know:
Oh, the good ol' hockey game
The good ol' hockey game
The best game you can name
Is the good ol' hockey game.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
dougm
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From Shark-Bytes-request Tue Oct 19 23:54 PDT 1993
From: Nelson Lu
Subject: Sharks lose to Blues 4-1
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1993 23:50:25 -0700 (PDT)
Tuesday, October 19, 7:30 P. M., at the San Jose Arena:
The Sharks dominated the game from start to finish, with one important (and
deadly, for the Sharks) exception: goaltender Curtis Joseph, who displayed form
that showed why he is arguably the best goaltender in the NHL, as they out-shot
the Blues 39-15? in the game, but the combination of great goaltending by
Joseph, uncharacteristically shaky goaltending by Arturs Irbe, and a couple
unlucky defensive lapses cost the Sharks the game.
The Sharks started out dominating right away, as they out-shot the Blues 15-5
in the first period, but Joseph, after looking shaky in the first couple
minutes, became *really* sharp, and stopped a number of opportunities close
in by Pat Falloon and Sandis Ozolinsh. Meanwhile, the Blues struck for the
first goal of the game at 15:05, while killing a penalty. Jeff Norton, as he
carried the puck out of the zone, fell down at the blue line, and the puck was
taken by Brendan Shanahan, who skated in and was checked by Ozolinsh, but he
managed to center the puck to a wide-open Tony Hrkac, who exacted some revenge
by sending puck past a sprawling Irbe.
The same story, fairly much, in the second, with Joseph playing great, stopping
particularly good shots by Kip Miller and Sergei Makarov, but he finally lost
the shut-out at 12:04, while the Blues were working on a power-play. Jayson
More stole the puck at center ice, and sent it down the left wing side to
Gaetan Duchesne, who let go the rising shot at a severe angle past Joseph to
tie the game. However, the Blues would go ahead for good at 15:41 on a strange
goal that resulted from mistakes by Irbe and the Sharks defense. Off a
face-off in the Sharks zone, Phil Housley took the puck, and bounced it off the
board. Irbe came out to play the puck, but it bounced past him and went to
Brett Hull behind the net, and Hull quickly centered it out to Craig Janney,
who scored easily into the empty net. The Sharks out-shot the Blues 15-4 again
in the period.
The Blues would pad their lead to 3-1 at 2:27, while working on a power-play.
Housley had taken the puck at the left point, and he sent it to the right point
to Jeff Brown, who one-timed a hard shot that Janney deflected right past Irbe
for his second goal of the night. The Sharks did pressure Joseph some, out-
shooting the Blues 9-5? during the period, but despite pulling Irbe with about
a minute left on the power-play, giving them a 6-4 man advantage, they could
not put anything past Joseph, and Shanahan scored an empty-netter at 19:10 to
close the scoring.
Tonight's three stars:
1. Curtis Joseph
2. Craig Janney
3. Gaetan Duchesne
Tonight's lines:
Johan Garpenlov Kip Miller Ray Whitney
Pat Falloon Gary Emmons Sergei Makarov
Gaetan Duchesne Mike Sullivan Rob Gaudreau
Jeff Odgers David Maley
Tonight's defensive pairings:
Jeff Norton Michal Sykora
Jayson More Sandis Ozolinsh
Mike Lalor Doug Zmolek
Mike Rathje
Scratches: Igor Larionov (shoulder), Bob Errey (ribs), Shawn Cronin,
Vlastimil Kroupa, Rob Zettler, Jamie Baker.
Notes:
1. Yuck. The offense came alive, but they ran into the best goaltender
in the league, and Irbe had a bad night as well.
2. Gary Emmons made his NHL debut tonight, wearing #9, and looked
moderately impressive, getting most of the face-offs. But he also
appeared a bit slow. But it's now or never for him, as far as his
career is concerned.
3. Ray Whitney did not impress today, as he took an inopportune 4-minute
penalty towards the end of the second period that later resulted in
Janney's 2nd goal.
4. Duchesne and Mike Sullivan played more tonight, and it appears to be
a good idea; they were strong all night, on a line with Rob Gaudreau.
5. The Sharks had just their 2nd fight in 6 games, as Doug Zmolek fought
Kelly Chase tonight. I assume that Kevin Constantine may dress Cronin
Thursday night, against the Blues again, in Sacramento. :-)
===============================================================================
GO EDMONTON OILERS! Go for playoffs! Bill Ranford for Vezina!
GO DALLAS STARS! Go for playoffs! Ulf Dahlen for Lady Byng!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (email@hidden)
rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 08:31 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 08:32:19 PDT
From: email@hidden (Steve Worth)
Subject: Re: Zamboni Song
Maybe we can get Fogerty to write a new song about the Sharks and
the San Jose Arena.
Steve 219/1-2
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 08:33 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 08:31:49 PDT
From: email@hidden (Alan Hepburn)
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Blues 4-1
Nelson writes:
"Jayson More stole the puck at center ice, and sent it down the left
wing side to Gaetan Duchesne, who let go the rising shot at a severe
angle past Joseph to tie the game."
The game I was watching was much more interesting. Gaetan deked CuJo
right out of his skates on that shot. He blasted in on the left
wing side and about the middle of the faceoff circle he wound up for
a huge slap shot. CuJo butterflied and Gaetan pulled the puck to
his forehand and snapped a nice riser around CuJo, who by this time
was sprawling on the ice. Another hoal second, and Gaetan would have
been too far to make the shot; it was beautiful!
Nelson again writes:
"Irbe came out to play the puck, but it bounced past him and went to
Brett Hull behind the net, and Hull quickly centered it out to Craig Janney,
who scored easily into the empty net."
Again, I was watching a slightly diferent game. Irbe and Hull both
went behind the net after the puck. It's not clear if Hull's stick
caused Irbe to trip, or Irbe just lost an edge, but in either case he
ended up down on the ice and Hull got a pass out to Janney.
Overall, the Sharks played the best game of the young season last night,
beating the Blues everywhere except the goal count. The shot count
was 39-19 and most of those 39 were quality shots. Power-play shots
were 9-2 in favour of the Sharks, faceoffs were 28-22 (I think). We
did everything except beat Joseph. And to those who don't think Irbe is
a great goalie; he went into the game with a 2.20 GAA and .930 save
percentage - stats like that tied to a 0-3-1 record show us what kind
of team is in front of him right now :-(
The Emmons-Falloon-Makarov line looked great! When they've had time
to get accustomed to each other they're going to be awesome. Makarov
almost looked like he was back in his prime with some real pretty
passing. Whitney made a serious error in judgement at the end of the
second period, but he was also playing with intensity. He's not afraid
of the corners, and again, given a few more games like last night he'll
be a force to be reckoned with. Ozolinsh is getting his confidence back,
he's skating with more authority now, and his stats should start improving.
Overall, the Sharks played a great game. They kept Hull from getting
any shots on goal, and shut down the Blues power-play for the most part.
Unfortunately, CuJo had a carreer game last night, and almost singlehandedly
won the game for St Louis.
---
Alan Hepburn "If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens,
National Semiconductor how incapable must Man be of learning from experience.
Santa Clara, Ca
email@hidden George Bernard Shaw
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 08:33 PDT 1993
Date: 20 Oct 93 08:25:00 PST
From: "MOSHE PREIL (22117)"
Subject: Empty Net
Can someone explain the last play of the game to me? We had a
6-4 man advantage, the SHarks were skating the puck up the ice with no
goalie behind them, and then they dumped the puck into the offensive, letting
the Blues pick it up and shoot it down ice at the empty net. Is this a
trick play they teach in training camp that I was unaware of? In my
ignorance, I thought that when you pull your goalie, you have to control
the puck while skating into the offensive zone so this sort of thing
doesn't happen. Did anyone get the name of the Shark who dumped that
one? I was too stunned to notice.
Moshe
209/17
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 08:50 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 08:49:13 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Zamboni Song
>Maybe we can get Fogerty to write a new song about the Sharks and
>the San Jose Arena.
I wanna hear the Guns & Roses version of the Zamboni song, myself.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 09:07 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 09:06:38 -0800
From: email@hidden (Brian Bechtel)
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Blues 4-1
An okay game. The Sharks outshot the Blues 39-19, but many of the shots
were straight to Joseph's chest. He was only seriously challenged a
handful of times. Irbe, too, was challenged a few times by breakaways
caused by sloppy Sharks stick handling.
Norton continues to be unimpressive, IMHO. He was falling down, or giving
the puck away, all night long. He seemed to be continually out of position
to make any plays. Our fine stadium announcer (Bozo the Clown?) called
Norton, instead of Duchense, as the third star, which had people in the
stands totally puzzled. Gaetan played an okay game; Norton did not.
Ozolinsh's failure to keep the puck away from Shanahan gave the Blues the
first short-handed goal. He looked pretty down about it, and he should
have. It was a bad mistake.
Emmons looked okay; not standout, but not a liability. Maley played for
the first time this season, and he really hustled the whole game. He
looked to me like he didn't want to see civilian clothes again.
Both Rathje and Sykora played pretty well. Rathje continues to impress me
as a totally solid defensive defenseman. Both guys have some size--I
actually noticed Blues players going down after a check. I even saw one
guy try to check Rathje, and the Blues player bounced off.
Chuq & Laurie had their 15 seconds of fame, appearing on the video board in
the middle of the third period. My wife & I moved downstairs for the third
period (shhh! don't tell) and sat behind Joseph's goal. From the
downstairs, you can actually tell that the flashing images on the screen
are a television!, with replays of action on the ice! Upstairs in the
corner, you see a *very* washed-out image of something indistinguishable
moving. The San Jose Arena has one of the cheapest video systems I've ever
seen...
--Brian Bechtel email@hidden "My opinion, not Apple's"
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 09:17 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 09:15:41 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Blues 4-1
>The Sharks dominated the game from start to finish, with one important (and
>deadly, for the Sharks) exception: goaltender Curtis Joseph, who displayed form
>that showed why he is arguably the best goaltender in the NHL, as they out-shot
>the Blues 39-15?
Can we compromise on top five, Nelson?
Cujo was HOT. Jeeez. It was not like they were weak shots he was stopping.
The Sharks looked damn good for the first two plus periods. Constantine
clearly had the "shoot from the point and crash the crease for rebounds"
lesson, and the "dammit, pass to the STICK" lesson. It worked.
>in the game, but the combination of great goaltending by
>Joseph, uncharacteristically shaky goaltending by Arturs Irbe, and a couple
>unlucky defensive lapses cost the Sharks the game.
Arturs does this. He plays one game too many in a row, and has a relatively
weak game. Constantine needs to figure this out and rest him before it
happens (Kingston never figured this out, either). It wasn't a BAD game by
Irbe, either. Just not a particularly good one.
But look at how we were victimized. First goal on a defensive turnover when
Norton lost his footing (Irbe hung out to dry). Second goal open net as Irbe
BLEW IT and wandered out behind the goal in traffic and then handed the puck
to Hull (whine. whimper. Irbe, stay in the damn crease when you're
surrounded! what were you thinking?). Third goal a gorgeous power play
deflection. That was textbook. Irbe was pissed for not stopping it, but
Janney had that one nailed. Not a soft goal in the bunch. A stupid goal, but
not a softie. (What bothered my more was that Irbe wasn't reacting to the
flow as well, was hesitating on passes, was passing into traffic and
generally making sub-optimal decisions on transition. He was clearly tired).
>Jayson
>More stole the puck at center ice, and sent it down the left wing side to
>Gaetan Duchesne, who let go the rising shot at a severe angle past Joseph to
>tie the game.
Not until Gaetan made a GREAT move and deked the jock of Joseph.
>The Sharks out-shot the Blues 15-4 again in the period.
The Blues looked pretty ragged. Shell-shocked. The Sharks took it to them on
every part of the ice and dominated. It wasn't until Joseph finally wore
them down and the Sharks got their dauber down a bit ("Geez, everything
clicked and we did everything right, and we're STILL losing! -- the
deflation was obvious as the third period went along) that the Blues
started looking like a hockey team. The four minute penalty on Whitney at
the end of the second (second two for unsportsmanlike -- it looks like the
refs are serious about players abusing the zebras over calls this year,
because they are definitely giving away 2 minute vacations for it. Bad
timing on Whitney's part) was probably the turning point, and they ALMOST
killed that penalty, too.
>The Sharks did pressure Joseph some, out-
>shooting the Blues 9-5?
Shots in the third were 9-9.
>a minute left on the power-play, giving them a 6-4 man advantage, they could
>not put anything past Joseph, and Shanahan scored an empty-netter at 19:10 to
>close the scoring.
By then, their heart wasn't in it. They were beaten, and knew it. Sigh.
>1. Curtis Joseph
Damn. Jeez. Work of art
>Johan Garpenlov Kip Miller Ray Whitney
Looked pretty good. Let's see how thing go when they have time to practice
together. I'm encouraged.
>Pat Falloon Gary Emmons Sergei Makarov
I think I like Falloon and Makarov together. I think this one is going to be
interesting.
Emmons is an interesting player. Looks like Tom Pederson's twin brother.
Good work ethic. Hustles his butt. Is constantly wandering through the
crease trying to create trouble. Good passer, is always on the lookout, and
had many opportunities for rebounds or deflections that ALMOST worked. I
thought it was an encouraging debut.
He reminds me, frankly, of what I always thought John Carter could be. He's
not big like Carter, but has some more muscle (like Pederson), and has that
kind of face that says "don't screw with me" (like Pederson), and he's not
afraid to mix it up and try to make something happen.
>Gaetan Duchesne Mike Sullivan Rob Gaudreau
Sully was everywhere. This line flew last night. Gaudreau and Odgers seemed
to swap out a lot. Maley saw limited play.
> Jeff Norton Michal Sykora
> Jayson More Sandis Ozolinsh
> Mike Lalor Doug Zmolek
> Mike Rathje
Everyone looked good. Rathje and Sykora swapped a lot.
>Scratches: Igor Larionov (shoulder), Bob Errey (ribs), Shawn Cronin,
> Vlastimil Kroupa, Rob Zettler, Jamie Baker.
They have to figure out what to do with their defensive logjam. Zettler is
clearly history (and I think they need to move him sooner rather than later,
before he becomes a PR problem. The "Free Zettler" signs are appearing), but
also one of (Rathje, Sykora, Kroupa) also needs to be sent to the IHL so
they can get playing time. I haveno clue which one it is, either. Rathje is
quietly impressing me. He's not flashy, but fits in well with a serious
defensive attitude and handles the puck better than I expected. Sykora and
Kroupa are both more offensive oriented and more visible because of it. I
think I might send Sykora down based on what I've seen. Or maybe not. It's a
real tough call.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 09:38 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 09:35:53 -0700
From: Richard Stueven
Subject: 11/2 Piggsburgh
For sale: one ticket to the 11/2 Piggsburgh game
209/15/19
$14
have fun
gak
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 09:43 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 09:38:05 PDT
From: email@hidden (Jason Cockroft)
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Blues 4-1
>Notes:
>
>1. Yuck. The offense came alive, but they ran into the best goaltender
> in the league, and Irbe had a bad night as well.
>
I can't say Irbe had a bad night at all. Irbe was there to make the
game close. I recall a breakaway he stopped with his right foot in
particular, at the end of the second to keep the game close. Most of
the Blues "shots" were good opportunities.
>2. Gary Emmons made his NHL debut tonight, wearing #9, and looked
> moderately impressive, getting most of the face-offs. But he also
> appeared a bit slow. But it's now or never for him, as far as his
> career is concerned.
>
Yeah, I liked him too. He got in the slot a little more than anybodyelse.
He looked a little confused in the defensive zone though. Makarov was coasting
a bit. There were a couple of Falloon-to-nobody passes last night. The
slot is a mighty lonely place in the Epicenter.
>3. Ray Whitney did not impress today, as he took an inopportune 4-minute
> penalty towards the end of the second period that later resulted in
> Janney's 2nd goal.
Whitney looked very lose in the pregame skate - almost to the tune of
"i don't care that i'm here". However, I was impressed with his lines
effort in the first. I think that the Garpy, Kip, Whitney line is in
a dubious position. What is this line the "midget" offensive line?
We need a solid checking line. I don't see how Whitney fits into this.
Whitney called Fraser something or other as he skated towards the penalty
box last night. We all know fans go to see Fraser more than the game. This
call reminded us of that once again.
I don't what happened to the Sharks, but in the last minute of killing
the 4 minute penalty they totally let down. In the first two periods,
their penalty killing unit was more of a diamond than the traditional box.
Gaudreau was at the top of the diamond hounding the points. In the last
minute of the Whitney penalty, they fell into a lifeless box. Unfortunately,
we could see that goal coming.
>4. Duchesne and Mike Sullivan played more tonight, and it appears to be
> a good idea; they were strong all night, on a line with Rob Gaudreau.
>
Yes, I thought this was there best line, and most consistent line all night.
I hope they keep them together.
>5. The Sharks had just their 2nd fight in 6 games, as Doug Zmolek fought
> Kelly Chase tonight. I assume that Kevin Constantine may dress Cronin
> Thursday night, against the Blues again, in Sacramento. :-)
-a boring wrestling match.
btw - It sure looked like that Ozolinsh was to blame for the first goal.
He had the puck in his skates, then doddled with it until Shanahan swipped it.
If Ozolinsh had his head skrewed on straight, he would have cleared it into
the corner (as I was instructing him to do!). I noticed that Constantine
did not play Ozolinsh until late in the second after that.
More played sloppy last night, though did not contribute to a Blues goal.
He ticked me off though.
Rathje was clearly out of position on the second Blues goal. He should have
dumped Janney on his ass. Instead he was on the left side of the net waiting
for who knows what ... Irbe and the puck were on the right with Janney sitting
by his lonesome self in front.
Constatine needs to go back to the blackboard and figure out how to bring
the puck out of their zone. This perhaps more than anything else, is why
the Sharks lost last night.
The game was one hell of a piece of entertainment last night. If they
play that type of hockey all season, I'll be more than satisfied.
-jake.
shaaaaAAARRRKKKKK ATTACK!
Epicenter 209/16/5
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 09:47 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 09:45:13 -0700
From: Richard Stueven
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Blues 4-1
>3. Ray Whitney did not impress today, as he took an inopportune 4-minute
> penalty towards the end of the second period that later resulted in
> Janney's 2nd goal.
Whitney was penalized for being tackled by a defenseman, and whatever
he said to Fraser to draw the extra two minutes was probably well-deserved.
bah
gak
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 10:02 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 09:59:59 -0700
From: Richard Stueven
Subject: Re: Zamboni Song
>>Maybe we can get Fogerty to write a new song about the Sharks and
>>the San Jose Arena.
>
>I wanna hear the Guns & Roses version of the Zamboni song, myself.
My roommate the musician encountered a reasonably bad Toronto hardcore
band called The Goon Squad. All of their songs are about hockey.
Typical are these lyrics from the song "Drink Beer Play Hockey":
Drink beer play hockey
Drink beer play hockey
Drink beer play hockey
Drink beer play hockey
...I like it.
have fun
gak
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 10:07 PDT 1993
From: Nelson Lu
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Blues 4-1 (fwd)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 10:05:06 -0700 (PDT)
Jason Cockroft writes:
> btw - It sure looked like that Ozolinsh was to blame for the first goal.
> He had the puck in his skates, then doddled with it until Shanahan swipped it.
> If Ozolinsh had his head skrewed on straight, he would have cleared it into
> the corner (as I was instructing him to do!). I noticed that Constantine
> did not play Ozolinsh until late in the second after that.
True. On the other hand, I feel that Jeff Norton was more culpable on that
goal than Ozolinsh; Norton's falling started the 2-on-1 break, as he couldn't
get back in time to help Ozolinsh.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 10:15 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 10:10:46 PDT
From: email@hidden (Jason Cockroft)
Subject: Looking for Shark/Duck Tixs
Hey folks,
I'm looking for two killer Club tickets for 10/28 game
against the might Ducks.
$65 tickets are perferred ... they are a surprise for a
visiting friend.
-jake.
shaaaaAAARRRKKKKK ATTACK!
Epicenter 209/16/5
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 10:21 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 10:13:04 -0700
From: email@hidden (Archer Sully)
email@hidden
Subject: Re: Zamboni Song
> Maybe we can get Fogerty to write a new song about the Sharks and
What, "Center Ice"?
-- a
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 10:23 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 10:20:42 -0700
From: email@hidden (Archer Sully)
email@hidden, email@hidden
Subject: Re: Zamboni Song
> I wanna hear the Guns & Roses version of the Zamboni song, myself.
Nah, you want to hear the Mentors do it.
-- a
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 10:31 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 10:25:38 PDT
From: email@hidden (Sheri Gillette)
Subject: *** I need 2 TIX for 11/7 vs. New Jersey Devils ***
Please email me if you have a pair to sell.
I need *excellent* seats in the lower section.
Thanks!
-Sheri
P.S. # 14, WHITNEY, is my favorite...
O8*)
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 10:45 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 10:43 PDT
From: email@hidden (Laura Shaffer)
Subject: Re: Zamboni Song
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 93 17:36:26 PDT
From: email@hidden (John Reed)
To: email@hidden, email@hidden
Subject: Re: Zamboni Song
:-)
I want to drive the Zamboni...
JR.
No "I" wanna drive the Zamboni!
:-)
Laura
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 10:46 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 10:45 PDT
From: email@hidden (Laura Shaffer)
Subject: Lou's Village
Didn't someone on the list say that they ate here?
How was: the food?
the prices?
And also, isn't there a parking lot near? I vaguely recal all this being
mentioned and go figure... I deleted it.
Laura
*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*
Laura Shaffer "Corners are for bus stops
PIXAR (they're not allowed an opinion) and stamps."
Richmond, CA USA
email: email@hidden - Wayne Gretzky
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 10:55 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 10:53:45 PDT
From: email@hidden (Dane Collins)
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Blues 4-1
> Our fine stadium announcer (Bozo the Clown?) called
> Norton, instead of Duchense, as the third star, which had people in the
> stands totally puzzled. Gaetan played an okay game; Norton did not.
Duchesne seemed to carry the puck more than usual and looked quite good (IMO).
I was also surprised that he was not the third star. And that goal was a thing
of beauty.
I was somewhat disapointed though at the significant number of feeds into the
slot which were mishandled. Right idea, poor execution. It really seemed to
me that we do not have anyone who can fight his way into the slot and control
the puck. The blues were always able to easily tie up whoever was there.
On the second Blues goal, it looked to me like Hull kicked/checked Irbe's leg
out from under him which caused him to fall. It always scares me when he goes
behind the goal in traffic like that.
--dane
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 11:26 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 11:24:25 -0700
From: email@hidden (Erik Schwartz)
Subject: last nights game
A couple of comments about last nights game.
What can one say, CuJo. A great performance. It was to bad to see the
sharks lose but as a long time hockey fan I love to see great goaltending.
I really like Falloon and Makarov on the same line, Emmons seemed good on
face offs but kind of lost the rest of the time, it was his first game in
the NHL so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I would really like to
see Larionov healthy and playing with Falloon and Makarov.
If Whitney has another few games like this he'll find himself in KC. I
really like Whitney and hope he gets his ducks in a row. A forward his size
has to have impeccable puck control skills and he's being really sloppy in
this regard right now.
Mike Rathje is playing well, I think he should stick, he'll learn more up
here than in KC and he's clearly not a defensive liability. After last year
it is so refreshing to have all these good D-Men.
Doug Zmolek set a sharks record by playing in his 90th consecutive game.
Both Sykora and Gaudreau seemed to really be hustling. I noticed Gaudreau
in particular being much more physical than usual.
I would guess Waite gets the start in sacramento.
==============================================================
Erik Schwartz ICTV Inc.
email@hidden (408) 562-9200
Epicenter 223/6/12-13 It's not easy, being teal...
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 11:33 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 11:32:07 PDT
From: email@hidden (Ed Rush)
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Blues 4-1
Brian sez:
> Ozolinsh's failure to keep the puck away from Shanahan gave the Blues the
> first short-handed goal. He looked pretty down about it, and he should
> have. It was a bad mistake.
He *did* get the puck away from Shanahan, but hadn't controlled it yet
when Hrkac came swooping in and whacked it in. Ozo never saw Hrkac coming.
The only way to avoid that goal would be for Irbe to have seen Hrkac
and poked the loose puck away. I don't blame anyone for that goal;
Hrkac just made it happen, after Ozo did a good job of getting the puck
away from Shanahan.
> I even saw one guy try to check Rathje, and the Blues player bounced off.
That happened to several Blues, but I expecially liked when it happened
to Basil McRae (6'2", 205) in the first period.
Alan sez, about the Duchesne goal:
> The game I was watching was much more interesting. Gaetan deked CuJo
> right out of his skates on that shot. ...
Most definitely. That was the second-prettiest Sharks goal I've seen
this season. (After Kroupa's beauty -- which the Hockey Week TV show
showed as the second-best goal of the NHL last week.)
I was really surprised, considering Duchesne's poor game against
the Bruins. I hope it bodes well for his future games.
> > "Irbe came out to play the puck, but it bounced past him and went to
> > Brett Hull behind the net, ...
> >
> Again, I was watching a slightly diferent game. Irbe and Hull both
> went behind the net after the puck. It's not clear if Hull's stick
> caused Irbe to trip, or Irbe just lost an edge, ...
Reviewing the tape when I got home, I saw that Hull "tripped" Irbe
by poking the blade of his stick in the back of Irbe's left knee.
Still and all, Arturs shouldn't have been back behind the net when
there were enemy troops in the neighborhood.
> ...and most of those 39 were quality shots ...
> We did everything except beat Joseph.
Someone forgot to bring the kryptonite. Last night's Sharks offense,
against most goalies in the league, would have gotten us a lopsided win.
They showed a lot of great playmaking. The passes to the crease that
sailed through against Boston were caught and shot last night, only
to thump into CuJo's pads, chest, glove, stick, and magic forcefield.
Whitney and Kip Miller kept bouncing off the big boys, and getting the
puck stolen from them. And was anyone here able to tell what Whitney
said to merit the extra two minutes (but not an extra ten minutes)?
After he stupidly took the Blue down in front of Fraser, he turned
toward center ice, and the next moment Fraser was flipping him the
four-finger bird.
> Overall, the Sharks played a great game.
Got that right! Maybe we'll get 'em tomorrow.
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| Ed Rush, not speaking for Metaphor, Mtn. View, CA |
| Internet: email@hidden |
| "My Macintosh doesn't go out in the rain." |
| Epicenter 117/17/11-12 |
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 11:37 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Bruce McKenzie)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 11:34:56 -0700
Subject: Falloon-Emmons-Makarov
> >Pat Falloon Gary Emmons Sergei Makarov
>
> I think I like Falloon and Makarov together. I think this one is going to be
> interesting.
This surely does have a lot of potential.
Unfortunately, I've not been seeing the great passes out of Makarov recently. I'm not
sure if it was the L-M combination that was so flashy, or just that the other teams
have started focusing on Makarov. I don't remember any "fabulous" plays last night.
Lots of "good" ones, but then again the whole Sharks offense looked good last night.
Don't get me wrong: I wouldn't trade Sergei for anything (well, almost). I'm just
anxious to see him readjust to his natural position (RW) and see him adjust to his
linemates (gee, can he have the same ones two nights in a row?)
I _think_ that I miss Errey. The whole team seemed more focused. I'm not quite sure.
Any comments?
---
Bruce McKenzie (email@hidden, NeXTMail OK)
"So..happy..ironing..for..my..friend..Stimpy!"
PDH Inc. 2635 N. First St. Ste 224, San Jose, CA 95134
voice: 408/428-9596, fax: 408/428-9599
Epicenter: Section 127, Row 22, Seats 13-14
* Opinions expressed are those of my own twisted mind, not my employer's *
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 12:04 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 12:03:40 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Blues 4-1
>I don't blame anyone for that goal;
>Hrkac just made it happen, after Ozo did a good job of getting the puck
>away from Shanahan.
Sometimes people are too intent on finding blame. Let's be honest about it.
Sometimes the other team makes a good play. Sometimes, for that matter, the
Karma Fairy flies down and pokes you in the eye with her wand, too.
> And was anyone here able to tell what Whitney
>said to merit the extra two minutes (but not an extra ten minutes)?
I think it involved parental heritage, a physiologically impossible act, a
quart of whipping cream and a goat. Not sure about that, though.
I've noticed the refs are calling an extra two for mouthing off fairly
consistently this year. not just the Sharks, but league-wide. Players need
to realize the refs aren't going to take it, and mellow out.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 12:09 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 12:06:18 -0700
From: Richard Stueven
Subject: Re: 11/2 Piggsburgh
Sold! (Already!)
have fun
gak
>From email@hidden Wed Oct 20 10:59:21 1993
>To: email@hidden
>Subject: 11/2 Piggsburgh
>
>For sale: one ticket to the 11/2 Piggsburgh game
> 209/15/19
> $14
>
>have fun
>gak
>
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 12:18 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 12:11:15 +0800
From: Michael.Eisler@Eng.Sun.COM (Mike Eisler)
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Blues 4-1
> The game I was watching was much more interesting. Gaetan deked CuJo
> right out of his skates on that shot. He blasted in on the left
> wing side and about the middle of the faceoff circle he wound up for
> a huge slap shot. CuJo butterflied and Gaetan pulled the puck to
> his forehand and snapped a nice riser around CuJo, who by this time
> was sprawling on the ice. Another hoal second, and Gaetan would have
> been too far to make the shot; it was beautiful!
Yeah, and they said he couldn't skate. Gaetan also made some nice
picks in d-zone in that period.
As nice as it was to see the shots go up, from all the Blue's d-men
not bothering to block shots, I got the impression that they take
CuJo for granted. Wouldn't suprise me to see the Blues repeat what
happen last season ... squeak into the playoffs, then metamorphasize
into a contender.
-mre
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 12:29 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 12:25:56 PDT
From: email@hidden (David Dobrikin)
Subject: Sharks Tickets Available
I have a pair of tickets available for several games.
Sec 211 Row 15 (upper corner) $14/seat
Tue Oct 26 Edmonton 7:30p
Tue Nov 9 Toronto 7:30p
Tue Dec 7 Tampa Bay 7:30p
Thu Mar 17 Ottawa 7:30p
David Dobrikin
email@hidden
W:(408)992-2353 H:(415)965-3401
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 13:15 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 13:21:52 PDT
From: (Philip Jeuck)
Subject: Sharks Tickets for sale
****Sharks Tickets****
10/28 Anaheim
Two tickets for October 28 against the Anaheim Ducks. Section 103
(on the goal line, end Sharks shoot at twice), Row 17 (Club seats
end at 16), aisle. $76 - face price for great seats.
Phil Jeuck (415)859-5471 (Voice Mail)
email@hidden
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 13:26 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 13:20:10 PDT
From: email@hidden (Sheri Gillette)
Subject: HOTEL near SJ Arena?
Any suggestions?
2 people/1 night (Saturday)
Looking for a fun place to stay.
Thanks!
-Sheri
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 13:33 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 13:32:39 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Re: HOTEL near SJ Arena?
The De Anza is closest. The Hilton is real close, too. haven't been
in either, so I can't say for sure.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 13:34 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 13:32:16 PDT
From: email@hidden (Alan Hepburn)
Subject: Slap Shot II
This doesn't have anything to do with the Sharks, but in the
new issue of Hockey News there's an article detailing the
Hanson brothers' attempt to drum up interest for a sequel to
Slap Shot. They say that they almost didn't get the parts in
the original; the producers wanted to go with names, but couldn't
find any stars who could skate good enough...
Anybody else want to see a sequel?
---
Alan Hepburn "If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens,
National Semiconductor how incapable must Man be of learning from experience.
Santa Clara, Ca
email@hidden George Bernard Shaw
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 14:21 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 14:18:43 -0700
From: email@hidden (Archer Sully)
Subject: Re: Zamboni Song
> "Drink Beer Play Hockey"
I really, really want a copy of this. Would it be possible
to get a tape? I'm sure Ken Zarifes will want it too.
-- archer
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 14:24 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 14:14:41 PDT
From: email@hidden (Rob Eccles)
medraut.apple.com!email@hidden
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Blues 4-1
> >I don't blame anyone for that goal;
> >Hrkac just made it happen, after Ozo did a good job of getting the puck
> >away from Shanahan.
>
> Sometimes people are too intent on finding blame. Let's be honest about it.
> Sometimes the other team makes a good play. Sometimes, for that matter, the
> Karma Fairy flies down and pokes you in the eye with her wand, too.
The "Karma Fairy"?! I love it. But could you imagine Ozolinsh telling
Constantine: "But Coach, I couldn't see it. The Karma Fairy poked me
in the eye!" :0
> > And was anyone here able to tell what Whitney
> >said to merit the extra two minutes (but not an extra ten minutes)?
>
> I think it involved parental heritage, a physiologically impossible act, a
> quart of whipping cream and a goat. Not sure about that, though.
Perhaps he asked Frasier who inflated his hair? Or which beauty parlor
he uses?
> I've noticed the refs are calling an extra two for mouthing off fairly
> consistently this year. not just the Sharks, but league-wide. Players need
> to realize the refs aren't going to take it, and mellow out.
>
A step in the right direction! Now if they would be consistent about
the other calls as well...
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 14:41 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 14:36:38 PDT
From: kahului!email@hidden (Douglas J Whisler)
Subject: Re: Sharks lose to Blues 4-1
>
> On the second Blues goal, it looked to me like Hull kicked/checked Irbe's leg
> out from under him which caused him to fall.
And a few similar comments were made, and here's mine. Irbe learned lesson
#66 last year, now this is about Bret Hull. Am I the only one here who
remembers how he 'accidentally' collided with Belfor in the playoffs?
Wasn't it OT of Game 4? Belfor knocked down by Hull, resulting in an
essential empty net goal, that ended the series? Deja vu? Or just
whatever works?
Something for Constantine's notebook. When the Blues are in town,
watch out for Hull 'incidental' contact with the goalkeeper.
(for sharks-byters that weren't here last season: Lesson #66 was that
Penguins goal that went in off Mario while he was laying *on* Irbe's
stick in the crease. Irbe no longer treats his visitors so politely -
either the net comes off, or our D 'helps' the visitor dislodge the net.)
- DW
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 15:02 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1993 14:59:32 PDT
From: email@hidden
Subject: 1 ticket for sale: 10/23
For Sale: one ticket to the 10/23 game
209/17/14
$14.00
First come first serve!
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From Shark-Bytes-request Wed Oct 20 20:11 PDT 1993
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 93 20:09:05 PDT
From: email@hidden (Rick Rees)
Subject: Sell/Swap Oct. 28 ticket(s)
I have a pair of tickets for the Oct. 28 game vs. Anaheim.
They are 116/25/1-2 for $38 each.
I would like to keep one for myself and swap the other
for a different game.
In liu of this I will sell one or both.
I'll be away from email until Monday, so
if you can't wait, call.
-Rick
(415) 550-8209
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 21 05:23 PDT 1993
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 08:20 EDT
From: "Charles.Papworth"
Subject: How is Kip Miller doing?
Miller used to attend here at Michigan State [his last year was my first].
I was just wondering how he has been playing, etc... I notice that he centers
the "top" line on most of the game summaries posted to the list. It's good to
finally see him in the NHL on a regular basis after playing in the minors for
Quebec and Minnesota [cum-Dallas].
Thanks,
Charles Papworth
email@hidden
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 21 06:39 PDT 1993
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 14:37:51 BST
From: "Chris Lansdowne "
Subject: Zamboni song
Sorry but I don't know this - can someone explain to this ignorant Brit what
you are referring to. The Guns n Roses link would be helpful.
BTW is anyone getting worried yet by the Sharks results so far (compared to
the Ducks and Panthers) or am I reading too much into a few early results.
Chris
* SERC, Polaris Ho., North Star Ave., Swindon SN2 1ET *
* Rm 1163, Phone 0793 411175 *
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 21 12:29 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Rick Ryder)
Subject: Sharks vs. Blues @ Brew Pub on the Green!
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 12:34:49 -0700 (PDT)
SAN JOSE SHARKS vs. ST. LOUIS BLUES
Where: Brew Pub On The Green (BPotG)
3350 Stevenson Blvd, Fremont
(510) 651-5510
When: Thursday, 10/21/93, 7:30pm
Why: To see that first win!
How: (...to get there)
N (NOT TO SCALE, Folks! (some streets omitted))
^
| | | | ||| |
| | | | ||| |
-|-----------|-----------------|-------------|------------|||-------------|-
| Mowry Ave.| | | | FREMONT |
| | | | | BART |
| | | | | |
| Blacow Rd. Fremont Blvd. Paseo Padre | Mission
880 | | Parkway | Walnut Blvd.
| | |-------------|--------|-------------------|-
| | | | | |
| | | | Civic Center |
| | | | | |
| | | | | |
| |(Lucky) |(Exxon) | | |
-------------|-----------------|-------------|--------|-------------------|-
| Stevenson Blvd. | * |(Library) |
| | | BPotG | | Lake |
| | | | Police Elizabeth |
| | | | Station |
| | | | >:-O |
| | | | |
| | | | |
880 |
| * = Brew Pub on the Green
V (1.5 lights past Fremont Blvd)
S
Note that BART is in walking distance to the BrewPub.
Questions? Zap me a mail!
SEE YOU THERE!!
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Disclaimer: These are my own opinions. Metaphor has nothing to do with them.
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| Rick Ryder email@hidden |
| Metaphor, Inc. Phone: (415) 966-0447 |
| 1965 Charleston Rd. FAX: (415) 966-1637 |
| Mountain View, CA 94043-1293 Epicenter: 209/16:7,8 |
---SHARKS--------------PARSONS|ROACH|SERRIE|STEARNS-------------PAINTBALL---
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 21 14:02 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden (Rick Ryder)
Subject: Re: Sharks vs. Blues @ Brew Pub on the Green!
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1993 14:08:13 -0700 (PDT)
RE: BPotG Tonite! Doug Whisler asks . . .
>
> 1 - do we get the room?
YES!!
>
> 2 - do we get *sound* (there is still the stand-on-the-grass-and-spit game
> playoffs, and the tall-geeks-standing-still-jumping-up-and-down-game is
> starting to appear, too)
SURE!!
>
> - DW
>
GO SHARKS!!!!!!!!!!!
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Disclaimer: These are my own opinions. Metaphor has nothing to do with them.
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| Rick Ryder email@hidden |
| Metaphor, Inc. Phone: (415) 966-0447 |
| 1965 Charleston Rd. FAX: (415) 966-1637 |
| Mountain View, CA 94043-1293 Epicenter: 209/16:7,8 |
---SHARKS--------------PARSONS|ROACH|SERRIE|STEARNS-------------PAINTBALL---
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 21 14:30 PDT 1993
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 14:29 PDT
From: email@hidden (Maniacal Hockey Fan)
Subject: Lou's Village Shuttle...?
Does anyone know...the shutle take you to the arena...does it also take you
back to your car after the game?
Or would you need to foot it?
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 21 14:49 PDT 1993
From: "Jeffrey T. Johnson"
Subject: Re: Lou's Village
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 14:47:24 PDT
>
>
> Didn't someone on the list say that they ate here?
>
> How was: the food?
> the prices?
>
> And also, isn't there a parking lot near? I vaguely recal all this being
> mentioned and go figure... I deleted it.
That was me. Here's the short version.
The prices: Anywhere from $7 (pasta-type dishes) to $24 (surf&turf), i.e.
about what you'd expect from a nice restaurant. You can eat as cheaply or
as expensively as you want.
The food: I had grilled salmon, and it was a bit salty for my taste. My
wife had some kind of hugh seafood salad which she enjoyed with the caveat
that the crab was not as fresh as she would have liked. Of the couple that
ate with us, one had the cioppini (Hey, I'm not Italian so don't expect me to
spell Italian!) which she really enjoyed, except that it had more crab and
less fish than she would have liked, and the other had grilled swordfish
which he had no complains about. The only other complaint was that I ordered
a Samuel Smith Oatmeal Stout, and they brough me a Nut Brown Ale, but both
are very drinkable so I didn't mention it.
They had several daily specials which none of us tried. In retrospect, the
specials are probably made with fresh(er) ingredients, so probably have a
better chance of being scrutinized. The four of us are going to try it
again this coming Saturday to see how the two experiences compare.
The Parking: Lou's Village has a huge parking lot, so parking there isn't a
problem. And they run a free shuttle to and from the game so you don't need
to worry about Arena traffic and parking. Heck, if nothing else, you could
probably stop by and have a pregame cocktail and take the shuttle, although I
didn't verify this with Tom. You might want to check out their ad in the
game program (which I don't have handy here at work).
And remember to tell Tom that you're a Shark Byte member so he'll know to
give you extra special treatment!
/jeff
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 21 15:03 PDT 1993
Date: 21 Oct 93 14:55:00 PST
From: "MOSHE PREIL (22117)"
Subject: email@hidden
Sorry to bother everyone with this; this is for Laura Shaffer.
Laura;
I can't seem to send email directly to you. Our mail
demon here keeps bouncing. Could you send me a message
and let me know how to get in touch with you re:
the ticket you want for the Detroit game, 11/23.
Your mail got to me OK; my address is email@hidden
We apologize for this interruption, and now return to our
regularly scheduled Sharks programming....
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 21 15:25 PDT 1993
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 15:24:33 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Defensive overload
It was noted in the paper today that one of the three rookies on the
sharks would be sent to Kansas City today, although it wasn't announced
which. Constantine and Lombardi said, though, that they should all consider
this a rotation and each expect to spend about 1/3 of the season with the
Blades, so it's not, strictly speaking, a demotion.
(until one of them takes over and proves he's not leaving, of course!)
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 21 15:35 PDT 1993
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 15:33:55 PDT
From: Chuq Von Rospach
Subject: Kroupa
Just hit the airwaves: the rookie who went to Kansas City was Vlastimil Kroupa.
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 21 17:52 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden
Date: 21 Oct 93 12:50
Subject: Club seats available for most games
Correction to a previous posting
Two $55 club seats in SEC 117 Row 3 Seats 3-4 are available to virtually all
games.
Please inquire directly to:
email@hidden
or
email@hidden
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 21 17:59 PDT 1993
From: email@hidden
Date: 21 Oct 93 10:26
Subject: Club seats tix to many games available
Tickects are available to vitually all games in $55 club seats in SEC 117 Row 3
Seats 3-4.
Please respond directly to email@hidden or email@hidden
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From Shark-Bytes-request Thu Oct 21 18:02 PDT 1993
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 93 18:00:57 -0700
From: Kevin Ball
Subject: Sharks Tix
Teal Folks,
I have one ticket available to the following Sharks games. The seat is
up in the $14 seats (Section 209 row 16) behind the net that the Sharks attack
twice. Great View! Great Value!
Sat 23 Oct 7:30 pm Vancouver Canucks
Tue 26 Oct 7:30 pm Edmonton Oilers
Thu 28 Oct 7:30 pm Anaheim Mighty Ducks
Sat 30 Oct 7:30 pm Washington Capitals
Thanx,
Kevin Ball
email@hidden
(408)447-5341
Epicentre: 209/16/1&2
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From Shark-Bytes-request Fri Oct 22 00:18 PDT 1993
From: Nelson Lu
Subject: Sharks lose to Blues 5-2
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 00:17:18 -0700 (PDT)
(Pardon the probable lack of quality in this report; I was frequently
distracted tonight, and it was only on cable.) (Insert my last diatribe
against Cable Co-Op; however, it appears that we may finally be able to get
cable, at the cost of a *$180* installation.)
Thursday, October 21, 7:30 P. M., at the Arco Arena:
It was a tale of two Millers, as Kip Miller scored his first goal as a Shark,
but saw big brother Kevin turning it on with a hat trick to help the Blues and
goaltender Curtis Joseph, who against was excellent in stopping 35 of 37 San
Jose shots, to their second victory over the Sharks in as many games. Jimmy
Waite, making his first start in 6 games, stopped just 18 of 23 St. Louis shots
to take the loss.
The Sharks started out well, out-shooting the Blues 15-10 in the first period,
and they thought that they had taken a 1-0 at 2:14, as Mike Sullivan took a
Bob Errey centering pass and poked it past Joseph, but referee Rob Shick, after
video replay, waved off the goal, ruling that Sullivan's shot came after the
net was knocked off the moorings. The Sharks later went on the power-play, but
that would turn out be a chance for Kevin Miller to shine, as he stole the puck
at center ice from Sandis Ozolinsh, and went on a break-away, shooting the puck
past Waite, who was late in coming out to cut down the angle, at 5:04. The
Sharks tied the game at 18:24. Ray Whitney checked the puck off Garth
Butcher (!!) on the left wing boards, and kicked it in deep to Johan Garpenlov,
who centered it in front for Kip Miller to deflect past Joseph. Towards the
end of the period, there was an altercation that involved Brendan Shanahan and
Waite (!!) that eventually involved more players, and Shanahan and Jeff Norton
got game misconducts.
As a result of the altercation, it appeared that Shick became a bit whistle
happy, and the Blues got three straight power-plays at the beginning of the
second period, and they converted at 5:11. After Brett Hull failed to make
contact in the slot on a pass from Kevin Miller, the puck went back to the
point to Jeff Brown, who sent it deep on the left wing again to Miller, who
centered it back to Hull, who did not miss it this time, wristing the shot
past Waite. The Sharks dominated the rest of the action, out-shooting the
Blues 11-5 in the period, but couldn't beat Joseph, who denied close chances
by Ozolinsh and Sergei Makarov in this period, as well as a break-away by Rob
Gaudreau.
The Sharks would get a quick jump back into a tie just 9 seconds into the third
period. Kip Miller had won the opening face-off, and it went to Gaudreau on
the right side, and Gaudreau sent it deep down the left side to Errey, who
waited until Joseph went down, and then lifted the puck over Joseph into the
net. However, Kevin Miller and Craig Janney took over fro